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Lynda Franklin
Guest
What a nice picy of Edith any chance we have of seeing the whole face ? In a book or even a magazine ?
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Timothy Trower
Guest
I doubt that Phil will even see these most recent postings ... but I've seen two of the pictures of Edith Evans as well as the painting done of her at age 15, and when they are published you will not be disappointed.
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Lynda Franklin
Guest
Thanks hopefully the photo will see being published .
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Gustavo Barren Andreas
Member
Timothy, where did you find Edith's pictures??
I always wanted to see her!
I always wanted to see her!
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Kerry Clare
Member
Has this book been published yet, and if so what are the details please?
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Karri McDonald
Member
Any updates on a publishing date for a book showing a photo of Edith Evans?
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Trevor Powell
Member
The Titanic International Society's current issue of Voyage (Volume 68, Summer 2009)carries an excellent article on Edith Evans by Mike Poirier accompanied by a color image of the pastel painting done of Edith Evans when she was 15 years old. It is a beauty and was worth the wait.
Mike Poirier
Member
Thank you Trevor. It was nice that as we close in on the 100th anniversary, this kind relative sent us the picture for publication so people can witness, in print, what she looked like.
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Jim Kalafus
Member
Yes, well worth the wait! Another "first" for TI. Congrats, Mike!
Mike Poirier
Member
An image of Edith can be seen here...
http://titanicinternationalsocietyonline.wordpress.com/voyage-feature-article-for-september/
This was first published in June of 2009 in Voyage, journal of the Titanic International Society.
http://titanicinternationalsocietyonline.wordpress.com/voyage-feature-article-for-september/
This was first published in June of 2009 in Voyage, journal of the Titanic International Society.
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Martin Williams
Member
How wonderful. Thank you so much for posting that article, Michael. It is fantastic to lay eyes upon the elusive Miss Evans at last. The article concerning the endowment of the church organ by the Evans sisters can be found in the archives of The New York Times. I stumbled across the full text during my own internet meanderings last year but foolishly neglected to take the date and page references.
Re-reading Archibald Gracie's very lucid account, it is clear that he did not in fact know Edith personally before the voyage, and was only introduced to her by the Lamson sisters when the ship was sinking. I don't have my copy of Gracie's text in front of me as I type this - but I recall quite clearly that he states that he missed Edith's name upon their initial meeting and had to ask her to repeat it to him at a very late stage, when the situation on the sloping Boat Deck was becoming increasingly precarious. So, however Edith was spending her time between 10th-14th April, her activities did not bring her into contact with this most gregarious of men.
There has been endless speculation on this forum as to why Edith did not enter Collapsible D with Mrs Brown. It has been posited that she may have worn a modish and restrictive hobble-skirt which prevented her from negotiating the gap between deck and boat. This is certainly a possibility. However, I've come to believe that, without any active intent on the part of the men in charge of the loading process, and in their haste to get the collapsible safely away, Edith's presence in the waiting throng was simply and conveniently 'overlooked' - understandable, given that the Titanic was about to founder, but not a fact to be easily reconciled with the myths of selfless male gallantry perpetuated that night (only think of Steffanson and Woolner leaping into two empty spaces a matter of seconds later!)
One way or another, I suppose we will never know.
Re-reading Archibald Gracie's very lucid account, it is clear that he did not in fact know Edith personally before the voyage, and was only introduced to her by the Lamson sisters when the ship was sinking. I don't have my copy of Gracie's text in front of me as I type this - but I recall quite clearly that he states that he missed Edith's name upon their initial meeting and had to ask her to repeat it to him at a very late stage, when the situation on the sloping Boat Deck was becoming increasingly precarious. So, however Edith was spending her time between 10th-14th April, her activities did not bring her into contact with this most gregarious of men.
There has been endless speculation on this forum as to why Edith did not enter Collapsible D with Mrs Brown. It has been posited that she may have worn a modish and restrictive hobble-skirt which prevented her from negotiating the gap between deck and boat. This is certainly a possibility. However, I've come to believe that, without any active intent on the part of the men in charge of the loading process, and in their haste to get the collapsible safely away, Edith's presence in the waiting throng was simply and conveniently 'overlooked' - understandable, given that the Titanic was about to founder, but not a fact to be easily reconciled with the myths of selfless male gallantry perpetuated that night (only think of Steffanson and Woolner leaping into two empty spaces a matter of seconds later!)
One way or another, I suppose we will never know.
Mike Poirier
Member
Hello Martin-
I am so glad you enjoyed the article and the portrait. Yes, it was nice to see her in print for the first time. I always felt Lightoller was being less than honest when Gracie supposedly questioned him. What did become of those other women that from Gracie's account, followed Mrs. Brown and Miss Evans to the boat. No doubt they would have been behind the two all the way. One would think they were all left behind and told to wait for collapsible B.
I am so glad you enjoyed the article and the portrait. Yes, it was nice to see her in print for the first time. I always felt Lightoller was being less than honest when Gracie supposedly questioned him. What did become of those other women that from Gracie's account, followed Mrs. Brown and Miss Evans to the boat. No doubt they would have been behind the two all the way. One would think they were all left behind and told to wait for collapsible B.
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Martin Williams
Member
Yes, that seems very likely to me too, Michael. Who knows - maybe Bess Allison, and little Lorraine, were somewhere in that throng around Collapsible B?
Whilst I realise that Lightoller and his team had more than a little on their plates by 2.10, I've never been convinced by their apparent inability to shed light on Edith Evans' failure to enter Collapsible D. Either she tried to board or she didn't. Hobble-skirt or no hobble-skirt, if she was indeed showing willing, then surely somebody could have given her a handy shove, such as landed Molly Brown in Lifeboat No. 6 an hour or so earlier?
Based on the evidence, and my own understanding of human nature, I've concluded that Edith was simply pushed back - by an increasingly panicky somebody - when she tried to follow her companion to safety.
Whilst I realise that Lightoller and his team had more than a little on their plates by 2.10, I've never been convinced by their apparent inability to shed light on Edith Evans' failure to enter Collapsible D. Either she tried to board or she didn't. Hobble-skirt or no hobble-skirt, if she was indeed showing willing, then surely somebody could have given her a handy shove, such as landed Molly Brown in Lifeboat No. 6 an hour or so earlier?
Based on the evidence, and my own understanding of human nature, I've concluded that Edith was simply pushed back - by an increasingly panicky somebody - when she tried to follow her companion to safety.
Mike Poirier
Member
Hi Martin
I am so glad you enjoyed the article. It was nice to finally see her face in print for the first time after all these years. Yes, I am still pondering those other women that supposedly followed Mrs. Brown and Miss Evans. If that is true- then Miss Evans was not the only woman left on deck.
I am so glad you enjoyed the article. It was nice to finally see her face in print for the first time after all these years. Yes, I am still pondering those other women that supposedly followed Mrs. Brown and Miss Evans. If that is true- then Miss Evans was not the only woman left on deck.
Shelley Dziedzic
Member
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