Empress of Ireland

Earl Chapman

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Does anyone know who of Titanic's engine department crew managed to survive both Titanic and allegedly also the Empress of Ireland?

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Shouldn't take long to investigate. I've checked the Crews list and no man by the name of Frank Towers appears anywhere. As far as I know, this myth started with Mr. Ripley of Ripley's Believe It Or Not fame.

Since there is no documentation to support it, I don't believe it.
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Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
 
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Basically, if they are not listed on this site then you can pretty well bet that they did not exist. However, I have discovered that one of Titanic's stokers other than Arthur John Priest survived the sinking of the Britannic, also. As far as the Empress of Ireland, however, I am no expert.

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I believe the man's name was William Clarke. He said the waiting was terrible on the Titanic.
He is quoted as saying, " There was no waiting with the E of I. She just rolled over like a hog in a ditch ".
It's in Dave's book somewhere.
 
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There's no 'Frank Tower' or 'Towers' on the lists of the Titanic, Empress of Ireland or Lusitania to my knowledge.
 

Earl Chapman

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In checking out a web site on the Empress of Ireland, it stated that William Clarke served as a fireman on both Titanic and Empress of Ireland. The web site also includes an interview on his arrival at Greenock (Scotland) when the liner Corsican brought a number of survivors to the United Kingdom. In this interview, Clarke described his experiences as follows:

"I was a fireman on both the ships. It was my luck to be on duty at the time of both accidents. The Titanic disaster was much the worst of the two. I mean it was much most awful. The waiting was the terrible thing. There was no waiting with the Empress of Ireland. You just saw what you had to do and did it. The Titanic went down straight like a baby goes to sleep. The Empress rolled over like a hog in a ditch."

Hermann Soldner's Passenger and Crew List shows a William Clark on the Titanic, age 39.

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Sorry for the back-to-back posts, but I just came across another reference to William Clark, in Senan Molony's "The Irish Aboard Titanic."

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Clarke had previously served on the Olympic. As a fireman, he was very lucky to escape the wreck of the Titanic (his means of doing so remains unknown), since only 36 out of a total of 167 stokers lived. More remarkably still, Clark (sic) also survived a proportionately greater maritime disaster just two years later, when the 14,191-ton Empress of Ireland was struck by the collier Storstad in the St. Lawrence river, sinking in just a quarter of an hour and taking the lives of 1,014 of her 1,477 passengers and crew
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I think this statement by Mr. Molony changes the incident from being a myth to becoming fact.

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David Zeni

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Mark; Earl; Mike; and all:
Clarke made his infamous "she rolled like a hog in a ditch" comment at the official Inquiry into the loss of the Empress. Lord Mersey was asking the questions at the time. His comments are part of the official transcript.
 
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Hi David, good to see you're still with us. I was parsing my copy of your book and I noticed that Clark's statement is on page 122. Did he ever say that or something like it to the press or just to to Lord Mersey?

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Michael H. Standart
 
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David Zeni

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Michael:
I believe the press took the statement from Clarke's testimony. I say that because the Inquiry was used to generate sensational headlines and reading for the papers.
 
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David, of the crew, who testified at the hearings? I don't think I have seen William Clarke on the lists...???? I know he survived both the Titanic and the Empress, so his story would certainly be of interest.
Another question; officially, 248 crewmembers survived. I have only 245 on the signing-off lists. Officially there were 95 survivors out of 134 in the engineering department (including three of the four 'supernumerary engineers'), but 'only' 92 were ever paid off. Do you know anything about this discrepancy????

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Peter
 
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David Zeni

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Peter:

I will pull out the Inquiry and see if I can list the crew members who testified. There are only a few. At least one of them is not listed in the list of witnesses at the front of the inquiry. There is a story that one of the crew members used the sinking as an opportunity to "fake" his death. Are there other reasons to explain why a crew member would not be paid off? My absolute best in these troubled times, d.z.
 
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God Be With You Till We Meet Again- the Empress' "Nearer my God to Thee"- nice postcard, paid $14 about 10 years ago for it. Was happy to see Forgotten Empress for sale at the Fall River Marine Museum Wed.- THS has pulled all of their exhibit- but could not manage to obtain the great TITANIC movie ship model which is still spectacular A new artist has done unbelievably wonderful pencil sketches of some of our well-known survivors, including Dot Gibson, JJ Astor, Miss Newell, Ismay- I got HIS phone number!
 
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Gavin Murphy

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It was reported in La Presse yesterday, a Montreal French language daily, that 500 Empress artifacts will be sold to an unnamed American collector from Florida in the next couple of days unless the Cdn. gov't steps up and acquires itself....which appears unlikely.

The artifacts come from, of course, Philppe Beaudry of Longueil.

Price offered is $1.5 million (US).

If deal goes through, another piece of Canadiana sold off to the highest bidder. Don't blame Beaudry. He tried to sell and keep them in Cda. without sucess.

Who us? Hewers of wood and drawers of water with a colonial mentality?
 
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Gavin Murphy

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Geoff,

Thanks for this. Of course he has the choice whether to sell or not. But someone obviously make him an offer he couldn't refuse. And he tried to sell to Canadian authorities to set up a museum here without success.

I sense from all this he is rather burnt out and wants out.........pocketin g a tidy little sum on money along the way.

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Stewardesses Kate Gold and Violet Jessop were both on the Olympic when Hawke rammed her. Violet was also on the Britannic.