Estonia disaster was there a coverup


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Recall the ferry Estonia, whos bow was wrecnched loose in a storm, and sank with over 900 souls? I have read there was some coverup in the investigation- and massive ammounts of gravel have been dropped upon the wreck. Were family members requests of recovering the bodies of victims ever honored?

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Tarn Stephanos
 
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Morning Tarn,

I believe that the wishes of family members was never met, the Estonia has become a concrete tomb, which I find quite disturbing. They said it would not be in the best interests of anyone if the ship were to remain accessible, which I find strange. I suppose that because most of the victims are all over the ship inside their own cabins and public areas, recovery of bodies would be near-enough impossible?

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Boz
 
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Stefan Christiansson

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I don't believe they have covered the ship Estonia with concrete yet. They were discussing it directly after the sinking, but I think they abandoned the idea.

I haven't investigated it further, but as I live in Stockholm, Sweden I would probably have heard of any covering on the news. They tend to report any news on this ship.
 
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Mikael Jonsson

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I know people who was on Estonia. Or it was more my mother who knew them. 852 of 989 passengers died. There was no coverup after the sinking. That is just bullshit.
 
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Stefan Christiansson

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Mikael: I wouldn't call it bullshit. There were plans to cover Estonia. But I believe it was considered both too expensive and too difficult to pull it through. There were many however that wanted the wreck covered.
 

Dave Gittins

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I fear that you Vikings are confusing 'coverup' as in hiding the facts with 'coverup' as in covering the wreck with gravel or concrete. Tarn was thinking of the first kind of coverup.

English is a weird language!
 
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Stefan Christiansson

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Dave: No not at all.
I was reffering to the gravel that Tarn suggested would have been dropped upon the wreck. This never happended. Nor did they use concrete.
As far as cover-ups of the investigation goes, there are always some present, but the shocking truth of the cause of the disaster has been revealed to the public.
 
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Hello Stefan,

I remember hearing that a huge steel wire cage had been poistioned around the Estonia and then covered with concrete. This definitely did not happen? Does that mean the ship is accessible?

I also heard that there was going to be no attempted recovery of the victims (this was in the early days - such an attempt now would be futile). This always struck me as strange, although I suppose that it was considered an unacceptable risk to any would-be rescuers.

Also, some sources say the number of fatalities was 852, some say 912. Which figure is correct?

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Boz
 
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Actually I was wondering both if gravel has been used to entomb the wreck,as was planned, and if there was a coverup in the investigation. Didnt the company who owned the ship head the investigation? A conflict of interest methinks- smells of a coverup to me...

Tarn Stephanos
 
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There were early plans of covering the ship in concrete to avoid anyone to reach it, but this never happened. The wreck is still accessible.
I believe last autumn an American team came there to dive. Since the wreck lies at international waters there was nothing that could be done to prevent it. I believe however that some very large Navy vessels went out to the site to disturb the dives.

One of the reasons they didn't recover any of the victims from the wreck is that the ship came to a tilt of such degree in such a little time, that most people had no chance to get out of their cabins. That means that they would basically have to go through every cabin on every deck of the ship rendering the task very dangerous and expensive.

All coutries surrounding the wreck have signed a treaty that they will not allow any dives to the wreck.

The investigation after the sinking was conducted by the Swedish authorities.
There has been several investigations since also conducted by the goverment. I believe the coverups (if any) were not more than usual.
 
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Mikael Jonsson

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Dave: Oops. I made just the mistake you wrote about
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The problem was that I didn't know what gravel was.

89% of the passengers died on Estonia. If you are interested in the disaster I recommend you to read the book written by the survivor Kent Härstedt. That book was sad, but very exciting. I don't know the title of the book in English. Maybe you know Stefan?

Stefan: It was no american team who dove at the wreck. It was a german team led by the famous german diver Jutta Rabe or however she may spell her name. (Kolla min Titanic-Estonia jämförelse på www.titanicnorden.co m/norden.html)
 
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Stefan Christiansson

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Mikael: Actually we are both correct. There was a cooperation between the german photographer Jutta Rabes and an american billionaire named Gregg Bemis. I believe the money for the expedition came from Bemis and was carried out under supervision from Rabes. Gregg Bemis is now trying to convince the Swedish government to further investigate the sinking of the ship since his team believes there was a bomb set of that sank the ship.

I have no idea what the name of that book is in English.
 
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Stefan Christiansson

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He claims to have evidence on videotapes of the wreck filmed by his team during their expedition.
I have not seen the evidence and others say there are none to see, so I don't really know what to believe, but Bemis has not taken the allegation out of thin air he says.

What does show on the video is that there are at least 8-11 dead bodies lying on the ocean floor surrounding the wreck.

The investigation carried out by the Swedish government came to the conclusion that all victims not picked up at the scene of the disaster back in 1994 are now inside the ship which now has been proven wrong.
 

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We just dont know how meny victims ther were everything else is lies in a privet emale from
Anders Bjorkman he saed (the final report is rubbish and that the real cause is sabotage
by somebody - but they do not want to investigate.)and (I do not believe Sillaste's story about the faulty vac-system. Sillaste has
stated that the bilge pumps were running before the sudden list occurred, so
the ship must have had a serious leak then. Where was the leak and did an
explosion cause it? One of my theories is that leaking oil, petrol, etc. on
the car deck did not flow out into the sea but to a collection tank
somewhere; this collection tank, fitted with a high-level alarm, could then
overflow into, say the heeling tank! If petrol leaked out on the car deck
and nobody reacted when the collection tank was full, then you could end up
with petrol in the heeling tank. And it could very well have exploded one
way or another and it was the first 'bang'. It may at 00.30 hrs have caused
a shell plate leak and internal bulkhead leak = you had sea water + petrol
in a big compartment inside the ship. Sillaste started the bilge pumps! The
second 'bangs' at about 01.00 hrs were subsequent explosions when petrol +
air exploded in contact with some electrical equipment inside the ship. The
visor was always in place but was not locked properly at departure, so it
was partly ripped off when the ship sank.

For some obscure reasons the JAIC decided to blame the accident on the visor
(and the Swedish Navy probably removed the visor with explosives under water
after the accident*). Probably because the ferry was substandard with major
defects everywhere - permitted by, i.a. the Swedish NMA; illegal life saving
equipment, W.T.door system, defective, twisted visor, leaking, twisted bow
ramp, etc. and this could not be admitted.
)So what sank the estonia a mine,torpeto,sewer gas explosion,hrink slaste,aliens,the mob,a terarest, ran agond,leakage,fuel explosion,or something top secret????
 
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>>So what sank the estonia a mine,torpeto,sewer gas explosion,hrink slaste,aliens,the mob,a terarest, ran agond,leakage,fuel explosion,or something top secret????<<

Nothing so dramatic Tom. While there are indications of a cover-up, it seems to be more with an eye towards hiding defects in design/construction/maintainace then anything else. What happened to the ship is clear enough in and of itself. The bow door was not properly closed, and it's failure made it possible for the vehical deck to flood. Between the free surface action of the water and the centre of gravity being raised so high up, the capsize of the ship was inevitable.

For more information, go HERE, and HERE
 

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I watched the History Channels program deep sea detectives and the did the estonia. Some gravel was dumped but nothing over the wreck. And some hull was recovered and analysed. the tests showed signs of an explosion and the estonia was in poor condition when she sank.

Nick
 

Tom Bates

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I saw it to back in August. BTW the web sight http://heiwaco.tripod.com i posted is
no longer working in a privet email he set me he said >>The service provider Tripod
closed the site 24 September 2003 stating that I did not conform to their rules. Why,
when
(after three years), how? = no reply. But the site will in due course be republished
with another provider.<< Also the ship yard is no help to the investigation he said
>>The shipyard does not help me either in my investigations to show how the JAIC
screwed up the investigation.<< and they did not reply to my many emails i set them
about the ship.
 
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