F Deck Cabins

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Hello,could anybody tell me how to find out where all the cabins were located?all classes,in the deck plans on E deck it has 2nd and 3rd class cabins,but none on f deck,im kinda confused.
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Neal Shelden

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I was interested if anyone could point out where the 2nd class rooms were on F Deck? In particular F33 where the Allison's cook Amelia (Mildred) Brown was, and next door for George Swane?
I will be most grateful if someone could point me in the right direction?
Neal Shelden
Not easy to describe in words, Neal. If you look at the deckplan onsite, the Second Class cabins were in the second, third and fourth sections from the stern (ie left side of plan). F33 was in the third section on the starboard side - the 'bibby cabin' (has a narrow passage leading to a porthole) closest to No 4 hatch. The cabins in the rearmost section, and those near the bow, were Third Class.

Neal Shelden

Former Member
Looking at the cabin layout and your description I can now see where F33 would have been situated.
It makes it all the more interesting that Brown was sleeping on the starboard side where the iceberg hit, but had to be urged to get out of bed while the disaster was unfolding.
Thanks Bob,
Certainly Mildred wasn't too keen to get out of that warm bed, Neal. She and her room-mates had been woken by a grating sound, as if the ship was running over gravel, but they didn't immediately think there was any danger. Their first thought was that George Swane (the chauffeur) and his room-mates next door had resumed the noisy pillow fight that had kept them awake earlier!

Neal Shelden

Former Member
I'm guessing now, but I suppose the part of the iceberg that caused the gash on the starboard side broke off, and that was why it didn't continue up the full length of the ship?
Or was it due to the ship veering away from the iceberg that it just caught it?
Wouldn't Brown and Swane have felt the ship veer to the left before hearing the grating sound?
Neal, if you're interested in the nature of the collision and the actions taken to avoid it, you need to proceed to the message board section: 'Collision/sinking theories'. Take a packed lunch - you'll be there a long time! Also check out the research papers here on-site; several of them explore this aspect of the disaster. But whatever happened, nobody could have 'felt' a change in the ship's heading, which in a vessel of that size is a very slow change.

Neal Shelden

Former Member
Bob, I'll head for the collision/sinking section. Thanks once again.
I suppose when we think that the Titanic was longer than the Canary Wharf Tower (Docklands, UK) it does make you realize that the people wouldn't have felt the change in the ship's heading.
I would only add then that when Brown and her room-mates heard the grating sound, would this mean that in a ship of that size it was a very big collision with the iceberg? Or was it just a glancing blow?
I daresay the answers to this are in collision and sinking.
There's no simple answer to that question, Neal, and no single answer either! You'll find a number of theories here, and a lot of heated arguments. ET is a great resource, but I'd recommend that you get hold of a good book also to give you a sound foundation of Titanic lore. Try 'Titanic - an Illustrated History' by Don Lynch and Ken Marschall. Very comprehensive, superb illustrations and very accurate (with one notable exception - our old friend Alice the murderer!)
Neal, you may wish to read The Last Log of the Titanic by David G. Brown and The White Paper on the Grounding of Titanic by David G. Brown and Parks Stephenson for some current theories on what most likely happened to the ship, vis a vis an allision/grounding event with the iceberg

You may also wish to read Roy Mengot's The Wreck of RMS Titanic website for more in the way of current technical information.

A little spoiler, the Titanic never had a gash.

This much has been confirmed by the sidescan sonar imaging that was done several years ago which found popped rivets and split seams. Unfortunately, there is no way to tell if which was the result of the entanglement with the berg or the approximately 22 knot impact with the bottom, but still, what they didn't find was a gash.

Interestingly enough, this was also understood...at least by the BOT inquiry...in 1912, which states;

The collision with the iceberg, which took place at 11.40 p.m., caused damage to the bottom of the starboard side of the vessel at about 10 feet above the level the keel, but there was no damage above this height. There was damage in: - The forepeak, No. 1 hold, No. 2 hold, No. 3 hold, No. 6 boiler room, No. 5 boiler room.
The damage extended over a length of about 300 ft.

Nowhere does it say anything about a gash. The contemporary news media was where that one started and it has since taken on a life of it's own.

You may wish further to read Edward Wilding's testimony which was taken over four sessions and can be read here:

- BOT › Day 18
- BOT › Day 19
- BOT › Day 20
- BOT › Day 27

It's rather involved, but well worthwhile.
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