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Ryan Burns

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Just curious as to who the other persion (on the left side of your photograph) was ?

Which photograph are you referring to? If you mean the Humphries pic, it's just a random NYC cop that was talking to Humphries on the streets of New York and was filmed doing so.
 
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Thanks, Ryan. That was my guess.
Also , what does the star on the sleeve mean ? Just for White Star Line ? Or for a QM ?
 
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Here's a fun little project I gave myself. Trying to find the height of the Quartermaster (Olliver), in this picture. (Note: The image posted is an enlarged copy of the original image I used).

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I went about as such:

Height of Window = 42 in

Pixels in height of line drawn on window: 153

153/42 = 3.648571429

Every 3.648571429 pixels equals 1 inch

Pixels in line drawn next to man (yellow break represents height of window) = 223

223/3.648571429 = 61.11981205233518/12 = 5.093317671027932

.093317671027932x12 = 1.12

The man is 5ft 1.12in

(Note the man's head is tilted downward, so height is taken a back of elastic at cap)
 
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So, upon discussing this further with others (not on this site :) ) We were debating rather or not the top line on the window should have been angled upwards, but instead just taking from the height of the outer edge, as seen.
window.png


So, for kicks and giggles I redid the numbers to account for this.

153 pixels - 4 pixels = 149

149/46in = 3.239130434782609 pixels per inch

223 pixels of man / 3.239130434782609 = 68.84563758389261 inches

68.84563758389261/12 = 5.737136465324384 feet

0.737136465324384x12 = 8.84in

5ft 8in

I will leave it to own personal judgement as to which is more accurate, though I would enjoy any input!
 

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"There was difficulty in casting off the falls. Norman Chambers recalled that the 'little quartermaster had to crawl between our legs to the amidship portion of the boat in order to reach what was apparently called the "trigger", which is, I believe, a mechanism used to release both falls simultaneously'...".

Quote from On a Sea of Glass: The Life and Loss of the RMS Titanic, referring to Lifeboat 5, which we all know was the boat Perkis boarded.
 

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Thanks, Ryan. That was my guess.
Also , what does the star on the sleeve mean ? Just for White Star Line ? Or for a QM ?

Carpathia passenger, Carlos Hurd would write:

In the hastily compiled list of surviving members of the crew, the names of Hichens, and other quartermasters appear among able-bodied seamen, but the star and anchor on the left sleeve of each distinguishes their rank from the A.B.'s.
 

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(Note the man's head is tilted downward, so height is taken a back of elastic at cap)

Given the titled head, generally stooped demeanour and the elastic being just above his ears, are we not robbing this man of a few inches?

How tall was Oliver?
 

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(Note the man's head is tilted downward, so height is taken a back of elastic at cap)

Given the titled head, generally stooped demeanour and the elastic being just above his ears, are we not robbing this man of a few inches?

How tall was Oliver?
I will see if I have a copy of his employment card, maybe that says? But indeed I could be. Its my first time trying this method of measurement which is why I posted here hoping someone with better knowledge could confirm or deny, lol. I hope I didn't rob the poor guy.
 
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Hello everyone !

I was wondering if you knew when this picture was taken by Francis Browne ? The Physical educator is demonstrating the rowing machine and William Parr is riding the electrical horse (or camel ?). I believe before sailing time, reporters were allowed on board to photograph Titanic's interiors. If I remember correctly, they were asking people to pose for the pictures in order to bring the ship to life. Lawrence Beesley was asked to ride the bicycle with one of his friend (famous picture). Is it possible that the following photograph was taken before sailing time when passengers were posing in the gymnasium (which would explain that we see two men on the picture) ?
Gymnasium.jpg

(picture from Internet)
Or was it taken later when Browne also took the famous picture of Percival White standing near to the gymnasium on Boat Deck ?

Thank you !

Best regards,
Manon
 

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Hello Manon, Francis Browne photographed Mr White outside Titanic's gymnasium before photographing the inside of the exercise room. I would think he took these pictures between lunch and dinner on April 10, 1912, so hours after departure. I base this assumption on the sequence of the photos in Browne's Titanic Album and the two reports he wrote of his short journey on the Titanic.

Do you know this book?

Amazon.com: Father Browne's Titanic Album: A Passenger's Photographs and Personal Memoir (9781910248270): O'Donnell, E. E., Ballard PhD, Robert D: Books

Highly recommended!
 
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Mark VII

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Hello Manon, Francis Browne photographed Mr White outside Titanic's gymnasium before photographing the inside of the exercise room. I would think he took these pictures between lunch and dinner on April 10, 1912, so hours after departure. I base this assumption on the sequence of the photos in Browne's Titanic Album and the two reports he wrote of his short journey on the Titanic.

Do you know this book?

Amazon.com: Father Browne's Titanic Album: A Passenger's Photographs and Personal Memoir (9781910248270): O'Donnell, E. E., Ballard PhD, Robert D: Books

Highly recommended!
On the other hand, Mr White's shadow in Browne's photo doesn't match the combination of Titanic's course and the period in which the photo must have been taken, while there’s a match on April 11.

I cannot solve this puzzle without the (missing) original negatives or other meta information. Maybe someone else?

Here’s the best link I could find for the said photo on the internet: File:Titanic outdoor gym.jpg - Wikimedia Commons
 
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On the other hand, Mr White's shadow in Browne's photo doesn't match the combination of Titanic's course and the period in which the photo must have been taken, while there’s a match on April 11.

I cannot solve this puzzle without the (missing) original negatives or other meta information. Maybe someone else?

Here’s the best link I could find for the said photo on the internet: File:Titanic outdoor gym.jpg - Wikimedia Commons
Thank you for the picture Mark !

I believe it was taken on April 10th since the two men had a talk regarding the Titanic's approach of the Isle of Wight. (further details in conversation)

Cheers,
Manon
 

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