Forward Grand Staircase at E-deck questions


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I regularly consult the deck plans on E. Titanica
when I'm navigating my role-playing game character about the ship.
I've noted that the layout of the forward Grand Staircase at E-deck is different than it's layout from D-deck on up to the Boat Deck level. Why was that?
What did the forward Grand Staircase look like at E-deck? Was it fancy dan or utilitarian in appearance?
Thanks in advance for any help.

Richard K.
 

Dan Cherry

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Richard,
while no photos of the grand staircase at E-deck are known to exist, a somewhat obscured view can be seen in most of the D-deck pictures of Olympic's GSC. The stairs leading to the landing had the gilt wrought iron railings like the rest of the staircase. I've no reason to believe that the descending stairs (a single width staircase, not a sweeping one like the other levels) didn't also have the matching baulistrades, and probably belayed with the same type of newel posts as seen elsewhere. It is also a guess that the tiles on the E-deck landing were the same type as found on the Boat, A, B and C decks. That's the way I portrayed it when building my 1/350 plastic model.

Regards,
Dan
 
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The PC game Titanic, by Cyberflix, portrays the grand staircase on E deck as being enclosed. The player must descend to D deck, the reception area, and then turn 180 degree to find a door that leads down a flight of stairs to a landing and then turns 90 degrees left to descend a second flight to another door which opens to E deck.
The idea of doors at the top and bottom of the stairs to E deck make sense because of the third class passenger traffic that used E deck as a major thoughrofare between bow and stern cabins.

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Yes, however there were no doors at the top or bottom of the E-deck stairs, as shown in the Cyberflix pc game. The game's scenery is good, but not devoid of errors.
At the bottom, port side of the E-deck landing's walls of Titanic, the access door to "Scotland Road" was more than likely locked at all times, used probably only by stewards or authorized crew, who then would lock the door behind them.
To starboard, the foyer led to first class E-deck cabins. Bulkheads at this deck naturally separated first and third class.

Regards,
Dan
 
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Ben Thomas Sebastian Holme

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Hey Dan,
Stupid question, but you weren't at Tonbridge School, England were you?
Ben
 
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Ben Thomas Sebastian Holme

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Dan,
Ignore my last question!!
I have read about you in the introduction section!
 
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Martin Dall

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I am doing research at school on the Titanic, and I would like to know what the Grand Staircase at E Deck was like- was it just the same as the ones on A, B, and C Deck?- or was it less luxurious? Please reply if you know.

Thankyou,

Martin
 

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Martin,
if you look above, I already answered your question - no pictures exist of the entire stairs, but based on plans and D-deck pictures looking down the well, you can make a somewhat educated guess at the layout.
Good luck on your school project!
 
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Daniel Rosenshine

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The stairs on E deck although did not finish in the same 'fan' shape landing, were still decorated the same as on all the decks above. The staircase was as lavish for all it's landings, even to F deck, the Turkish bath area, where it finished. I'm not sure about the surrounding paneling; I presume it was somewhat simpler. But it would have still had the letters announcing E deck ... F deck ... and the wall of the stairs from D to E deck would have still featured a painting with ornate paneling surrounding it.

Daniel.
 

Dan Cherry

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With a little time and patience, I might be able to apply the research gathered over the years and post a rendering of the E-deck stairs and landing sometime this winter.

Thoughts?
 

Nigel Bryant

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In the Titanic 1997 movie it portrayed the bottom on E-deck of the elevators behind the staircase. I noticed the paneling was white and it was more simple but still very elegant. It also showed the gold letters reading "E DECK". I guess maybe the white paneling flowed into the first-class corridors.The wall facing the stairs may have been oak with the gold letters of the deck level. The tile pattern probably would have been the same with a elaborate carpet running down the corridor.The balustrades would all be the same in keeping with staircase and with those wonderful chanderlairs.But this is just my educated guess. Ken Marshall has done a depiction of the E-deck staircase foyer in "Inside the Titanic" on pg 25.My guess evolves around that idea.What ever it was like it must of been grand since it is first-class. The Grand staircase was the center showpeice.Any thoughts.

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Daniel Rosenshine

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I highly doubt that the 1997 Cameron rendering of the Titanic was historically accurate, it was more likely made that way to fit the movie. As you can see the elevator landing is freely opened to crew areas etc. There would have been a wall there and first class would have been closed off from those areas. Right behind where the wall should have been was 'Scotland Road' a rather vital passage for crew and third class. If you listen to what Andrews told Rose, you can not follow it on the plans. So, the depiction of the staircase in the movie is inaccurate.

Daniel.
 

Nigel Bryant

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To Thomas
Ken Marshall's rendering of his depiction is very interesting it shows the whole grand staircase from Boat-deck to E-deck.As the E-Deck foyer is the main focus I will try to explain it to you as best I can.His depiction has the whole foyer done up in oak the same as the other decks and with the use of the same tiles. He has the letters in reading "E-DECK" on the wall facing the stairs.
On the center balustrade he has put a cheurb.The stairs then disappear down to the F-DECK landing which I can just pick out that the decor has white paneling. If you want to see it just find "INSIDE THE TITANIC" and find pg 25 . It is a giant cutaway book, illustrated by Ken Marshall and text written by Hugh Brewster.It is more of a children book,but I choose it because he has done a excellent job depicting the ship's interiors.
I hope this helps.
Regards Nigel Bryant
 
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Rolf Vonk

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Hi there,

Nigel and Beverly, I'm not sure if the illustrations in the book are reliable or accurate. I have the book too, and I was referring at it when I discussed with Daniel about the suiterooms. He told me that the suiteroom styles in the book did not all correspond to the real styles aboard Titanic. So I don't know how reliable the illustrations are.

Though there are detailed parts in his illustrations who do correspond with the real Titanic. But I think that these are only the parts of which we have pictures. For example the upper level of the grand staircase and the private promenades.

I'm looking forward to your responses!

greetings Rollie
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Daniel Rosenshine

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Correction, I said I don't know if his styles were correctly drawn as there doesn't seem to be a record or an archive to identify the various suite rooms to any particular styles, thus taking his pictures for granted may mislead readers. On the other hand, perhaps Ken has something which allows him to depict the cabins correctly.

One thing he does depict incorrectly is the cutaway inspired by Fr. Browne's photo. On C deck, cabins C66, 68, 70, 72, 74 are revealed. Cabins C66, 68 and 70 are depicted correctly. But where C72 was meant to be decorated in Old Dutch style, it's in Modern Dutch, just like next door C70. C74 was meant to be Modern Dutch but is depicted in the Old Dutch. If you switch the pictures for C72 with C74, you'll get the correct order and styles.

Daniel.
 
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joseph mack

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Hi:
Daniel.Whay do you mean by portrayed in your post?You said something about your 1/350th scale model.I too built one but mine busted in the end{when I was almost finished}.I need some brush ups on my deck plans.Tee~hee.
 

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I wouldn't think that the Grand Staircase entrance to Scotland Road would have been locked at all times. Stewards, officers and other crew members would have used it very often, and I doubt that it would have been conviniant for them to constantly unlock, open, and relock the door each time. I would imagine that the door to Scotland Road would have been a small, simple single door with a discreet "This Door For Use of Crew Only" sign on it. Also, many account of steerage passengers from other liners of the time (and even Tourist passengers from the 20's) say that there were usually unlocked crew doors to First Class on lower decks. I imagine that the fear of steerage infiltration would have been minimal. There were hundreds of similar doors along Scotland Road and the door to First Class would have gone largely unnoticed. Besides, intruders in First Class would have been noticed apprehended quickly.
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