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>>I wonder if the ship could be used for temporary housing in New Orleans?<<

It's not impossible and it would certainly be a noble way for this vessel to make her swansong to the world. Reality however often stinks to high heaven. This ship has no real capability to move under her own power and would have to be towed to her berth in New Orleans all the way from Malaysia. I suppose it's possible that part of the plant could be made operational, but who's going to foot the bill for a ship that's either going to end up as a floating casino or scrap metal and how long would this take?
 
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I can not argue with your logic there. I was stretching very hard there...
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I know that the government has approached Carnival about using cruise ship(s) in such a role.

One has to assume that will be a population that will be displaced from New Orleans for in excess of a year, possibly two, so coming up with a way to house them may in fact be a multi-phased program - so things that can not be brought online quickly may still be an alternative.

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If the United States were not so gutted, one might be tempted to suggest it... ;)

I wonder what the cost/profits would be if one were to take a ship like one of these, convert it to apartments, and plant it somewhere near an urban center like New Orleans. Assuming one could put it in a place that gave it the right location, I wonder if rents could pay for the upkeep.

Probably not, as no one has done it...I know the initial capital outlay would be HUGE...

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>>One has to assume that will be a population that will be displaced from New Orleans for in excess of a year, possibly two,<<

I would bet a lot longer then that. Even if all the levees were to magically repair themselves and all the water go back to where it belongs, the homes and assorted businesses are completely uninhabitable and no doubt, a lot of them are total losses. The people who go back to pick up the pieces won't just be doing repair work, they'll be completely rebuilding for a long time to come.
 
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Actually, that raises the housing ante in another way, as the folks that come in to do the destruction/construction work will need to housed as well.

But in my usual fashion, I am drifting off topic, sorry.

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Kinda makes you wonder what'd happen to the QM if they kept her power plant in her (even if they did, having her go around the Horn yet again would be a stretch)

But maybe the folks could be flown to Long Beach to stay on Queen Mary? Her capacity, though diminshed, could handle at least several hundred people I'm sure... the facilities are at least operational, the dining salon and what have you...
 
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After seeing the condition the Superdome was left in after a week, I would shudder to think what any ship would look like afterwards!
 
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My wife has made that point to me on several occasions.

How can you sell the world on the brilliance of your idea if your wife thinks it stupid??? ;)

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>>After seeing the condition the Superdome was left in after a week, I would shudder to think what any ship would look like afterwards!<<

Doesn't present too cheery a picture, but then it helps to know that a crew will be maintained on board these vessels to keep things up. The owners of the vessels aren't about to let anyone trash these ships as they still intend to use them once they're no longer needed.
 

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Right now, there are other venues that are being used for evacuees, here in the Los Angeles area. The Queen Mary is not considered a refuge, though it could be a decent site.

RE: the Carnival Ships: I am certain the crews would be able to maintain order, and keep things clean, especially as these ships will likely remain in port (I have not read the full stories of the recquisitioning of these vessels).

The Superdome was never meant to be a long-term shelter; things would have been different if people could have headed out on Monday afternoon or Tuesday morning.
 
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Well, in Greenville SC...about 15 miles from where I live, refugees are being taken in at the Convention Centre along South Pleasantburg highway. I understand some ships have been sent to Galveston, but some of the refugees have declined being moved to them.

It's not like they don't want better digs...(Who wouldn't?)...but they want to focus on finding missing family while some are so emotionally drained that they just want to be left alone.
 
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They stated on the news that the folks to be housed in the ships were older folks...

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Indeed, I don't think they'd let anything happen to the ships. They will sail afterward...

Also regarding the Queen Mary: I think it would stand up better than the Superdome because she was built to stand up to many, many people over the years (and she was good at it too!)

Secondly, it'd give the old girl a moment in the spotlight of the general public... something I'm sure she hasn't been in since she was in service with Cunard.
 
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Thinking along the line of retrieving the "Norway" as temporary shelter, and assuming the people housed on board were elderly, she could make history again. Rename her "France", and have her come to the aid of the largely Cajun/French-Acadian population. If she's fit for retention afterwards (a big if), permanently moor her as part of a rebuilt city.
Just a romantic thought about a great French liner.
 
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"Just a romantic thought about a great French liner."

Yeah, that was along the lines of my thinking. Unfortunately, reality has a way of killing my romantic ideas.
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