Frank Carlson in passenger list even in Titanic Computer game but not on Titanic


I note that the First class list on this site, as well as many others, list a first class passenger as boarding & dying on the Titanic, true he booked passage , but in one of those 'fate' stories , he missed the ship.According to Walter Lord in "The Night Lives On". Carlson was on his way to the docks in Cherbourg when his car tyre became flat & he had to change it, by the time he rectified this & arrived at the Cherbourg docks the Titanic had already departed for Queenstown.

Yet to this day, he is listed among the lost.As to the Titanic computer game reference , it is only in name, in "Titanic:Adventure out of time", the character of the game player British Agent Frank Carlson , is named after the aforementioned lucky booked passenger, but that is it.

Is Walter Lord wrong ? Or was Frank truly not on the ship ?

Responses please,

A.D.Casey
 
Aydan:
That's a good story, but I don't see Frank Carlson on the ET passenger list. He is on Walter Lord's list in "A Night to Remember," and on the original passenger list that is often re-printed. But he's not on the Eaton & Haas list in "Titanic: Triumph and Tragedy" or on Michael Findlay's list in Judith Geller's book "Titanic, Women and Children First", or on the list on this site. Unless you're thinking of Frans Carlsson, or Carlson, but he left from Southampton, not Cherbourg.
 
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Rolf Vonk

Guest
Hi there,

A Dutch source says it was Mr Frank Olof Carlson who had car trouble. But that name is, as you mentioned, strange. It could be possible that there was a Mr Frank Olof Carlson, but I wonder if that name is a kind of wrong interpretation of Mr Frans Olof Carlsson who indeed boarded the Titanic and is listed on the passenger list. Is it so that the whole story about that "due car trouble boat missed Carslon" is untrue because of this?

I think Walter Lord is very confusing. He told about several other people (like a Mr Belford) onboard who were in fact fictive, but also about real facts.

Regards,
Rolf
 

Ben Holme

Member
A reproduction of "The Daily Mirror" for April 22nd 1912 features a photograph of Frank Carlson. He is clean shaven and sporting an officer's cap. The caption reads; "Mr. Frank Carlson, who was drowned. Formerly a ship's officer, he was returning to the States to settle"

I'm guessing this is the man who missed the ship at Cherbourg as opposed to the man who actually died, am I right?

Regards
Ben
 
It seems that two people, two different men, went by that name. The similarity between the names is only a coincidence, I believe. Here they are, as far as I can remember:

1) Frans Olof Carlsson: Used to be a ship officer, then a captain for the Red Star Line. The White Star Line paid Carlsson's passage in First Class. (Actually he spent £5)

2) Frank Carlson: American tourist. He was touring France, and was hoping to reach Cherbourg and come back to America on the Titanic. Unfortunatly, his car broke down and he missed the ship. His name remained on the Titanic's passenger list for years and years. I believe he died in the late twenties. I might be wrong.

Charles
 

Ben Holme

Member
Charles - Thanks for the information.

In which case, the man whose pic appears in the daily mirror must be been the man who perished i.e Frans Olaf Carlsson. However, the photo with the caption appears to fulfil both criteria.

Anway, the similarity of names has certainly stirred up a lot of confusion.

Regards
Ben
 
>>Unfortunately, his car broke down....<<

Maybe not such a peice of bad luck.
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Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
 
A bad tyre caused him to miss an ill-fated ocean voyage that he would have probably lost his life in, huh? My, my, the Car Trouble Gods certainly smiled upon him, didn't they? (Ha!Ha!)
 
I have before me a reproduced passenger list from the THS archives, dated April 10th 1912, it lists only one person who fits our name.
"Mr Frank Carlson"- which would appear to support Walter Lord.

The Eaton & Haas passenger list is, by their own admission not entirely foolproof as they say:
" Readers are invited to send documented corrections or additions to authors..."

Also, Robin Gardiner & Dan vsn der Vat`s "The riddle of the Titanic" includes a passenger list, supporting both Walter Lord's story & the original White Star list, "Frank Carlson" ,also the Frans Olof Carlsson listed by Eaton & Haas, had a residence in New York.

Feel free to comment.By the way , does either name appear on the "Cave List" ?
 
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Daniel Rosenshine

Guest
The Cave list is on this site for all to see, and no Carlson/Carlsson is on the list.

The original Titanic list, printed aboard Titanic April 10, 1912 has more errors than the detailed E&H list.

The list printed aboard Titanic does not mention 8 names of first class passengers who did sail on the Titanic, and gives three names of passengers who didn't even sail.

White Star lists always had spelling mistakes of names in them. Titanic's list was no exception. Instead of Frans Olof Carlson, they printed his name as Frank Carlson. If indeed there was a man named Frank Carlson who literally did intend to board Titanic at Cherbourg, then the names are merely a coincidence.

Frans Olof Carlson booked passage in Southampton just a day before sailing day. He did not need to travel by car, let alone to Cherbourg.

Daniel.
 
According to a British Public Records office document entitled " Marriages, births, deaths & injuries that Have occurred on board during the voyage " lists Frank Carlson amongst the First Class lost , it says he was a USC (ie US Citizen) and lists his place of Boarding at Cherbourg & his last known residence as " Elysee Palace Hotel".

Any thoughts or is this info to be treated with scepticism ?

Aydan
 
Hi Aydan,

There are two PRO documents which list deceased passengers:
MT 9/920/201 Lists No 17 as Carlson, Frank; marks him as American; boarded at Southampton; but gives No Last Place of Abode. The Elysee Palace Hotel, Paris is alongside the name of deceased passenger No 14 who was E. Brandeis; also American and who boarded at Cherbourg.

BT 100/260 which is the one you have looked at and is headed: Marriages, Births, Deaths and Injuries .....; Lists No 16 as Mr Frank Carlson; U.S.C; but gives no Last Place of Abode or a boarding port.
Again the address you give is further up the page and could belong to either John B. Brady or E. Brandeis.

Hope this helps,
Lester
 
this list I quoted may not openly give a boarding port, but it appears that the passengers are listed in order of where they boarded and on this list all na,es from no6 downwards have last abodes listed in France. Does this help ?
 
Hi Aydan,

No it does not help. The list is alphebetical.

Just looking at Page 1 (I have printed copies) while Nos 6-9 and 13 have French addresses, Nos 10-12 and 14-18 have no adddresses. Also although he has a French address Thomson Beattie boarded at Southampton; as did all of those without addresses (Messrs Blackwell; Borebank and Brady; Major Butt and the two Mr Carraus); except for Dr Brewe.

If you look at the next group (Nos 19-37) you will see a mixture of London and Paris addresses as well as one for Belfast and one for Dublin.

Hope this helps,
Lester
 
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