Gardeners claims

Lee Gilliland

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Well perhaps as this book is going to create such a commotion, it might well belong to a post on FAQ rather then a long debate about stuff no one has any respect for?

Although I agree Gardiener has it coming.
 

Inger Sheil

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I have to concur with you btw, Fi - James is taking a somewhat different approach, and as such this thread should stand. Usually I refer people asking questions about the switch to - pre-existing threads, but in this instance a new thread is justified. Gardiner's work deserves to be skewered and mocked, although the thread is now winding down to its natural death. Until someone revives it in a few months time, of course.
 

Inger Sheil

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I might mock Gardener's work, but my reaction to his work is mixed with a disdain and contempt that go beyond laughter. Most of it is a poor joke, but there is a current of poison in it that has caused very real harm to at least one good and decent man. I make absolutely no excuses for feeling particularly deeply on this subject.

As I said - he caused great distress to a friend when that friend was dying. And for that reason, I will take every opportunity that presents itself to expose this man's work for the sham it is. Should anyone reading this feel inclined to buy into the rubbish he is peddling - and, judging from responses we've had here in the past, there are quite a few who do - I want them to know exactly what my issues with his work are.
 

Mike Bull

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I would really, really like to see that man have the guts to sit in a room with some real Titanic buffs, and try and defend himself.

As far as I am concerned, the ******d is taking it for all the money he can get.
 
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Take heart, Lee, from the fact (see my post above), that poor old Gardiner didn't even make it into the TV prog "Top 100 Conspiracy Theories", as measured by number of websites and hits. In fact, if you think about it, it's odd that he hasn't boosted his earnings by dedicating a website to his ideas - it's the modern way to spread tosh, after all! I always wonder if he's quietly stalking us by reading these posts.... And I do wonder if he's really in it for the money. Many people would be, I know, but it's entirely possible he does believe what he's writing. I watched a US lady 'alien abductee', aged 63 last night, explaining on TV how she was sure humans weren't clever enough to have developed colour TV and microchips without the assistance of aliens, and she was entirely sincere. The V/O said,
"So, we gave you access to female humans' plumbing, and you gave us Bill Gates. Thanks, guys!" LOL! They're not all locked up ... and neither should they be.
 
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Inger,
now I see it all - thanks to your brother (and David Icke). One of the Top 100 conspiracy theories, actually in the Top 10 I think, was the theory that the Brit Royal Family are, in fact, reptoid! Didn't actually see that bit myself (went to make a cup of tea / pour myself another glass - not sure which) but I take my hat off to your brother. You heard it here first!!
 

Inger Sheil

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Oh, he'll be just delighted by the validation, Monica! I can hear it now "See! See! The Reptoids are behind it all!" I hope it was another glass you were pouring - sounds like a show like that really needs something to accompany it.

I suspect that there's a possibility that Gardener has talked himself into the validity of his own opinions - without knowing him personally, it's difficult to say. From an external viewpoint (and from the odd bits and bobs of information I've been made privy to in off-line conversations) it looks like sheer cynical exploitation, but who knows.

Mike, I'd love to see him challenged to an open, public debate. Face to face, in a room, bringing sources along.
 
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>>Mike, I'd love to see him challenged to an open, public debate. Face to face, in a room, bringing sources along. <<

Check the temperature in Hell first. You might be able to go skiing long befor this ever happens. Too bad because it would be most entertaining to watch what some of the top techies in the Titanic community would do to him. Imagine if you will, the biggest guns from the TRMA having a go at him.
 

Mike Bull

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He wouldn't have the guts.

If he even made an attempt to talk to the real Titanic community, to argue and discuss his case, I'd have more respect for him, no matter how whacko his theories!

For example, I personally think that Captain Collins' 'Titanic sank intact/drifted for 13 miles underwater/wasn't broken in two until the 1929 earthquake' idea is total rubbish, BUT, 'Duke' posts on here and explains his thinking, and I really respect him for that, compared to those that hide behind royalty cheques...
 

Inger Sheil

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quote:

Check the temperature in Hell first.
Lol! No doubt!
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If he even made an attempt to talk to the real Titanic community, to argue and discuss his case, I'd have more respect for him, no matter how whacko his theories!
Have you heard the story about his appearance at a BTS convention a few years ago, Mike? Can't recall if it was posted on-line here or was circulating privately.

But yes...I have rather more respect for someone who will debate their viewpoint honestly and openly. I've never been afraid to say something in person that I'm willing to say online, unlike a lot of keyboard warriors who hide behind a computer screen or, in Gardiner's case, a work they publish but avoid engaging in 'real time' debate on. I predict, however, that his next conspiracy book will have a few swipes at 'anoraks' in the on-line Titanic community!​
 

Inger Sheil

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Oops - I suspect this was one related to me privately. Yes, he did. And yes, the story is vasty amusing.