Gardiner Is At It Again

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As the Hearings in 1912 got things so very wrong . . . perhaps Gardiner--in time--can set things very right . . .<<

Not if he's stuck on some rediculous conspiracy ship-switch angle he won't. His work has been very clearly refuted meny times. The links I provided are some very clear cut and clear thinking examples of that.
 

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Yes, beware venturing into the TRMA if your facts are not straight. There’re like the marauding hordes of Genghis Khan. They’ll be all over you like a cheap suit. You were warned.
Mike, you’re ducking obstacles from all directions lately. Some natives over at Titanic Titanic are hurling sticks and rumble too. Ya gotta love Titanic.
You know you cannot please everyone.
Wait till this time next year. Things will certainly go berserk again. Maybe this is just the beginning of what’s to come.

Sally B.
 
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>>I eagerly await his new book . . . I have both of his previous works . . . and he's never disappointed . . . he's doing research others should be doing . . . and all should welcome his views . . .<<

Gardiner and a good researcher? He is adding only myths and legend together, creating a theory, using survivor accounts out of context and point to ships designs which are not true! Everyone who knows about the differences between Olympic and Titanic knew that it is nonsense!
Others are doing really research and not writing fiction as Mr. Gardiner!
 
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William Smith

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Thank you Thomas and Sally for the voice of reason.I knew there must be someone on this forum not blindfolded by Mr S's plethora of self righteousness and disdain.
We're still awaiting questions, perhaps those who must be obeyed won't soil their hands!
 
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William, you seem to have a bit of a problem recognizing sarcasm. There's no self-rightousness on my part, however I will without any apology heap scorn and disdain on what is essentially historical fraud as well as those who confuse gullibility for being on some sort of intellectual cutting edge.

Especially since in his first book, Mr Gardiner pretty much admitted that the switch did not take place. Maybe you missed that in his first book.

I didn't.

>>We're still awaiting questions, perhaps those who must be obeyed won't soil their hands!<<

I'm not sure what you mean by that. If somebody wants to go over to your site and ask questions, there's really nothing I could possibly do about it and I have no interest in doing so.
 
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Michael, going over to that side means more publicity and of course more money!

Mr. Williams, now I see were you are coming from. You seem to believe everything what Mr. Gardiner said even it is wrong. So far as I can see you would even say yes when Mr. Gardiner claimed that the world is not round but flat. I don't know if you do not know it better or even if you are looking only for the money!

And I don't see why to show on a website from Mr. Gardiner and his publisher to show where he is wrong. And I am sure Mr. Gardiner knows them himself!
 
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>>Michael, going over to that side means more publicity and of course more money!<<

Probably, but in the interests of fairness, I'm not going to either encourage or discourage anybody from giving it a look or even so much as remove the link. Doing that just feeds into the "Were so persecuted and censored by 'The Establishment' " mantra that paranoid conspiracy theorists love to trot out and play on.

In short, I'm not playing their game.

I've already provided links to books and on-line resources to as a rebuttal, so anybody who wants to can take a look at both sides.

If Mr. Williams has a problem with that, then that's exactly what it is.

His problem.
 
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William Smith

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Who is Mr Williams?
I have no problem recognising your sarcasm Mr Standart it's all you've come out with so far.Perhaps you're getting your life jacket in a twist.
Mr Gardiner didn't "pretty much admit" anything of the sort. He is more than capable of writing his own words without bar room lawyers putting them in his mouth.
 
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>>Who is Mr Williams?<<

Sorry, I forget in the hurry to write Mr. William Smith, and wrote Mr. Williams.

However, there is no answer to anything what other wrote except that you are going again against Mr. Standart.
Regarding Mr. Gardiner, I am sure he know that he is wrong. Also nothing more about the links which has pointed out to you and if you would look to this one, you can see that several of the claims and even wrong captured images in your web side gallery are wrong.

http://titanic-model.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=100&topic_id=36239&mesg_id=36239&page=&topic_page=2
 
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William Smith

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I've seen all the links many times. Mr Gardiner actually knows that he is right, and of course I am going against Mr Standart, he is totally self obsessed with his own importance, as I am sure the more moderate members of this forum realise.
38,000 posts!
 

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Moderator's hat on:

Hello, Mr. Smith:

Your position and Mike Standart's concerning the merits of the conspiracy theory that Mr. Gardiner has written about have been made clear and you are certainly free to disagree with him. The discussion of that subject, though, should be limited to the merits of the two sides and not include personal references such as "self opinionated twaddle...plethora of self righteousness and disdain...totally self obsessed with his own importance." Please refrain from further comments of this sort.

Thanks.

Mark Baber
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Let us all wish the best of success for Mr. Gardiner on the publication of his most recent book . . . I'm sure we all offer him our warmest congradulations . . . I'm sure . . .
 
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William Smith

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Mr Baber,
Kindly ask Mr Standart to do the same, or is he above that?
I have no wish to post here again if that is your wish. I retract nothing from my previous posts and do not need your pious platitudes, which are obviously prompted by Mr Standart, and the comments were justly aimed at him.
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

Have a nice day.
 

Mark Baber

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>I ... do not need your pious platitudes

So be it.

>Have a nice day.

You, too, Mr. Smith.
 
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>>Let us all wish the best of success for Mr. Gardiner on the publication of his most recent book.<<

I agree. I too enjoy reading a good work of fiction once in a while.