General Information about Empress of Ireland


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Traci Miller

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I'm very interested in the Empress of Ireland and wondered if anyone had done much research or found anything in detail about her?

Thanks,
Traci
 
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Traci,

Look for David Zeni's excellent book "Forgotten Empress" this tells the whole sad story from start to finish. It also contains deck plans and the most wonderful passenger list put together by someone called Geoff Whitfield!!!!!
Seriously though, it is on sale in Great Britain, Canada and Germany. If you are in the USA you may have to ask in your local bookshop. Good hunting
Geoff
 
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Cleaning out the postcard collection-and came across a card I forgot I had- the Empress with a hymn-words and music under a broadside view of her- a sepia print. Played it on the piano- God Be With You Till We Meet Again- I guess this must be the Nearer My God to Thee of the Empress.
 
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Forgot to add I also picked up a hardcover a while back with a forward by Bill Tantum- late of THS- called The Tragedy of the Empress of Ireland-wonder if that is available in paperback from 7C's now?
 
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Traci Miller

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Shelley:

Thanks for letting me know. I'll bet I can find it either in paperback or maybe as a used book someone. I'll see what I can find.

Thanks again,
Traci
 
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Thanks Paul. I am so new at this that many of the stories I am learning or learning more about each and every day. These additional site addresses help.
Maureen.
 

Mike Poirier

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Dave Zeni ( author of 'Forgotten Empress' ) has a profile in the introduce yourself section.
He is very friendly with his responses.
The Empress memorial book usually runs from $20-$50 and is fairly easy to find in the used book searches.
Another Empress book is
' Fourteen Minutes ' by James Croall
 
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Dear Michael Poirier,

I need to know this, do you have all of this in your brain. Man, I have atough time remembering my license tag number. Wow. Thanks for the information. You are one amazing man!
Maureen.
 
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James Eldridge

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Greetings,

I just looked at the website above for the Empress of Ireland and it really is impressive,...thanks for posting the link Paul!

I thought the video was really terrific and even when its not running it still looks like there is motion happening so its truly impressive. Unfortunately, I never heard of this ship before coming to this board and her 14 minute sinking with such great loss of life is truly sad. Perhaps the fact that it sunk too fast for stories of heroism to be generated and people to make conscious decisions regarding life and death is the reason its so little known. Someone mentioned elsewheres that salvage and grave robbing activities are being planned is this true?

Thanks

Eldridge
 
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David Zeni

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James:
The Empress of Ireland was first visited by divers 50 years after her loss in 1964. On or about September 1970, A Quebec man began regularly diving and removing artifacts. After some 600 dives he has some 600 artifacts, actually more. His name is Phil Beaudry...he has had a "relationship" with the wreck having been devoted to it for over 25 years. Beaudry appeared with Bob Ballard in the PBS documentary LOST LINERS. Now Beaudry, has applied for an export license with the Canadian Government to sell 401 artifacts to a U.S. citizen who plans to resell the items. Beaudry is not the only party cashing-in on his exploration. I recently learned that another diver is selling the brass letters "EMPRESS OF IRELAND Liverpool" recovered from her stern. As for the wreck itself, it is far more a grave than any other liner wreck because conditions on the floor of the St. Lawrence have preserved human bone fragments. This fact helped sell the Canadian Government on declaring the wreck a national underwater heritage site. Because of this law divers are now prohibited from removing artifacts from the site. Of course, by this time Beaudry; and other divers already obtained their trophies. I believe Canadian citizens should work to secure these artifacts from the various private parties. Remember, the Empress, unlike Titanic sailed for eight years prior to her loss. The Empress brought thousands upon thousands of immigrants to North America. These artifacts are evidence of this period and a vital part of the colonization scheme which made Canada what it is today.
 
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Well said Mr Zeni! It can't be the lettering in the museum at Pointe Au Pere that is up for grabs though is it? Or does that come from another part of the ship? Amazing how the numbers 401 keep cropping up - berth 401 for Titanic, 401 Empress of Ireland items, 401, the number of my last car!!
Trust all is well on "The Cape" and that The Laird of Glencairn is behaving!
Geoff
 

Mike Herbold

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And here in the states we have our 401K retirement plans and 401 jeans (for thin folks). Maybe there is something to this Titanic 2000 numerology.
 
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Now you are being a less than a full deck penny or one farthing less than a pound sterling or whatever it is you said back there on that other thread that made me laugh so much. I personally think that the sign painters only have those stencils and they rent them out for really cheap rates to anyone who wants them and that is why all ships have that number painetd on them.
Maureen.
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Mike Poirier

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Hmmm.
I never heard of 401 jeans. Sounds like levi. I used to be the men's manager at JC Penney and I remember 501 jeans for the slim people ( they were also button fly ) but not 401. Muat be new.
 
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Gavin Murphy

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This message is especially for you David Z.

What is the status of the Merlin Films' vid "Journey to Oblivion"?

In return for a copy of the vid, I sent along to them a copy I had of a 1964 interview with Capt. Kendall, which they didn't have, and a few other suggestions to improve the vid which they never responded to (i.e. include something on the drying out and sending on of the mail, copies of which I could secure for them; removing pic of survivors of the T, and offering to have them use my rare and unpublished pic of the Empress,) for inclusion in an updated version. This was in May and I have not heard back from them. Too bad, etc.

I also have a review column in the Beaver, a magazine of Canadian history, (where I also did a review of your book Empress book while still living in England,) and they want a review of the vid if it is ever distributed.

This too I advised to Merlin, but all appears to have fallen on deaf. What gives?

In haste.

Regards,

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Gavin Murphy

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Dear Folks,

No response to my earlier question on the EofI vid. Well, let's try this on one.

It appears that Canada's Phillipe Beaudry, founding president of the EofI Historical Society, and the one who has dove the most to the Empress to retrieve artifacts, plans to sell his Empress artifacts to an American for $1.5 million US.

Any comments? Could be an ominous sign for the future.

David Z, nice comments in the Gazette about this matter and I agree fully with you. But what you don't know is that we Canadians don't appear to care about our history. It is considered boring so that is why it is being sold off. No interest, etc. God, look what has happened to the poor Mounties! Unfortunate, yes. Most Canadians have probably never heard of the Beaverford disaster (I talked about this at the last TI Convention) or the Nfld. Regiment at Beaumont Hamel on July 1, 1916, but all know about PT-109 and Robin Hood, etc. I have devoted 25 years to promoting Canadian history and see this sort of thing all the time. I talked about this in general terms at the convention too.

Beaudry has tried to mount exhibits in Canada, but could not find backers. You figure it out.

Regards,

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