Graves in Philadelphia PA USA area


Deborah Kogan

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In this past weekend's Philadelphia Inquirer (newspaper) there was an article about a professor at Widener University, J. Joseph Edgette, who this past Saturday took Titanic Buffs around to a half dozen graves or memorials of Titanic passengers from this area. The Widener's memorial is at their family mausoleum at Laurel Hill, in the East Falls section in Philadelphia, as is that of William Crothers Dulles. [I think that I have discovered a Hospital building named after Dulles; I will check up on that and report tomorrow]. Charlotte Cardeza and son are buried at West Laurel Hill Cemetery, in Bala Cynwyd, just outside of Philadelphia. Prof. Edgette is working on a book on passenger's gravesites, to be released on Titanic's centennial.
 

Dave Gittins

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Tell the professor it's already been done. Brian Ticehurst has published a book containing details of more than 1,000 memorials all over the world.
 

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A suggestion for American researchers. As far as I know, nobody has examined the use made of the very large fund that was collected for the benefit of the dependents of those lost on Titanic and for the impoverished immigrants. It was operated from the office of the mayor of New York.

Brian Ticehurst and others have done much work on the British fund but I've seen nothing about the US fund.
 
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Dave,

That's interesting because I thought all of the Memorial Funds created in 1912 would have been used up by now? You wouldn't think anything would be left.

--Teri
 

Dave Gittins

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Brian Ticehurst tells me he's made some progress on the American fund. Most of it was given to American Red Cross, which distributed it as it saw fit. Somebody on the spot might find more.
 
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Andrew Williams

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Dave, interesting report.

There's another in the field of investigations. Toronto, hence the Canadian Committee. Is there anybody from that region of Canada, who is willing to give any feedback. I for one, would certainly be interested.

A.W.
 
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Dave,

Thanks for your reply.

What progress has Ticehurst made? Are these funds ongoing from 1912, or were they set up recently?

The American Red Cross, yes, well let us hope that they distributed the funds in a more non-political way than those Feds did at the Disaster Relief Dept during the Katrina storm. I heard about the unfair distribution of money there. Not good.

--Teri
 
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In response to the very first post here from Deborah Kogan -- I think we should check Ticehurst's book for the gravestone locations and names she has mentioned to be sure none were left out. I apologize but I do not have this book in my collection but if anyone else does can they confirm that the names and gravestone locations above are in fact listed?
 

Henry Loscher

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> About the Memorials and gravesites/Pennsylvania I have the booklet produced by Brian Ticehurst of gravesites. If you let me know the names of the persons you are seeking I will see if they appear on Brian's text. Henry Loscher
 

Dave Gittins

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Teri, the memorials mentioned are in Brian's book.

I'll leave him to comment on his work on the US fund. The American Red Cross was evidently involved very early on.
 
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Hello Henry,

Thank you for offering to look up the names, I appreciate that. If any come up in the future I will post to you again. At least now I know who has a copy of this book.
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Thanks again,

--Teri
 
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Dave,

Fair enough. If Brian wants to let us know his progress, he will post it to us. He must be working through an American researcher because he is predominantly British.

If the American Red Cross was involved early on, then I am going to assume this fund is at least 94 years old. I wonder if the person(s) who set it up stipulated how long it was to be kept alive.

Since this old fund is still alive, it is either collecting interest or the unused (very large) portion was never touched, which I find VERY hard to believe. I will opt that it has been accruing interest.

--Teri
 

Mark Baber

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Ummm...unless I'm misreading something, no one has suggested that either the UK or the US funds are still in existence. I understand the references to Brian and others having "done some work" and "made some progress" to refer to research into what happened to the funds, not a suggestion that they're still around.

Or am I missing something?
 
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Henry,

Thanks for that link. It made me realize that the Red Cross of yesterday is not the same as today, and unless I am told otherwise, I can rest knowing that whatever the Red Cross did with the money in 1912 was wisely spent.

And I see that they opened up an office in New York and that the organization was begun by Clara. Again, thanks for the link.

--Teri
 
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Teri - You are right the Red Cross in 1912 was a vastly different organization than it is today.
The Titanic American Relief Fund along with the British Titanic Mansion House Relief Fund were
very well run organizations and I have never heard any complaints about the way they distributed the Funds at their disposal.
Several booklets on the Funds Titanic activities have been published where each case is referred to by a number - you have to 'crack' the code to see which case applies to which person etc.
As an example I give you:
Third Class passenger Mr.Cribs case:
(From The Emergency and Relief booklet by the American Red Cross, 1913).
No. 93. (English). The father, a butler, earning good wages was drowned. He was accompanied by his daughter who was saved. His wife had lived here for twelve years but during the last eight years has resided in England with her children, aged 17, 14, 11 and 6 years. The father was returning from a visit and his eldest daughter was expecting to take a place at service here. After remaining a few weeks in this country with her father's brother, she returned to her mother in England. She needed only emergent help. The widow, from English funds has been granted £210. From other American relief funds. the daughter received $165. ($50).

All the funds are long distributed. But one lady in the Southampton UK area still draws a weekly pension (annunity) from the Mansion House Fund.
I hope that helps? Cheers Brian
 
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Teri - Hi - Reference My Memorials booklet.
It was first published in 1996 and like Topsy has grown and grown.
In the 25th Reprint to be published later this year I now list over 1085 Titanic related memorials and name 1006 people. The memorials cover 34 countries.
344 people have so far contributed information and news of any more will be much appreciated and the name of the person added to the list of contributors.
Yes, all the Philadelphia ones are listed plus one that was not mentioned earlier.
Very best regards

Brian
 
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Hello Brian,

It is nice to hear from you. Thank you for your post. It answered the questions I had in my mind.

All of the information is quite nice, quite interesting. I enjoyed reading the facts about 3rd Class Passenger Mr. Crib. I also enjoyed reading about the donation that continues to draw a weekly pension. Very Remarkable!

Thank you also, for confirming my thoughts about the Red Cross in 1912. A pity that ethics in today’s world turned ghastly.

This project has captured my interest, and I'd like to see if I can help a little. The first thing I need to do is purchase your booklet so that I do not duplicate efforts. Can you please post your link so I can get this done? You mentioned other booklets. Do I need to purchase these as well, so that I have ALL of the research collected to date? And may I ask, do you operate your research squarely from a running list of named donations from the British Titanic Mansion House Relief Fund, and/or from a bank account statement of the British Fund (it would be a godsend if it survived that long!)? I will be happy to have as much information as you have, to get me started.

Topsy - do you mean the Topsy Foundation?

Sincerely,

--Teri
 

Henry Loscher

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> For your information. To grow like Topsy comes from the book UNCLE TOM"S > CABIN. It means to grow rapidly. The expression "To grow like Topsy" is > in very common usage in Great Britain. Henry
 

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