Here's a one-of-a-kind Titanic picture you've not seen before.

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Lost a bunch of text I had typed out but in a nut shell I can see that. Most nations have a reserve fleet that they keep sitting in mothballs till the time is needed in case of war. Most of the time these ships sit till they are out dated to a point that they are just simply sold for scrap.

Thing is there is not much information on the Powerful class of cruisers on Wikipedia which you also have to take with a grain of salt in some cases. But I am confident that the Powerful class of ship is what we see in the photo above with Titanic. Not only does she have the same birdbath platform layout but she also sports a level main deck bow to stern as well as the amidship vents. I am happy with saying that the ship is a Powerful class. Now the question is which one is it. We have a 50/50 shot of being right. I want to say its the HMS Powerful but if its true that both ships were laid up after 1904 then now who knows which one it could be.

I would have to do some more digging but I think I want to lean towards it being the HMS Powerful.
So there's it is folks, the 3 ships we see in this photo (Left-to Right) are HMS Revenge (1892), Frank Beken's boat and either HMS Powerful (1895) OR HMS Terrible (1895).
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Lost a bunch of text I had typed out but in a nut shell I can see that. Most nations have a reserve fleet that they keep sitting in mothballs till the time is needed in case of war. Most of the time these ships sit till they are out dated to a point that they are just simply sold for scrap.

Thing is there is not much information on the Powerful class of cruisers on Wikipedia which you also have to take with a grain of salt in some cases. But I am confident that the Powerful class of ship is what we see in the photo above with Titanic. Not only does she have the same birdbath platform layout but she also sports a level main deck bow to stern as well as the amidship vents. I am happy with saying that the ship is a Powerful class. Now the question is which one is it. We have a 50/50 shot of being right. I want to say its the HMS Powerful but if its true that both ships were laid up after 1904 then now who knows which one it could be.

I would have to do some more digging but I think I want to lean towards it being the HMS Powerful.

~Update~
Well just did a little search on Ask.com for the HMS Powerful 1912 history and came across this page.

It states the HMS Powerful was used for Harbor duty in 1912 while the HMS Terrible wasn't used for Harbor duty till January 1918.

Powerful Class

So it looks like my initial gut feeling was right. I just couldn't see a nation letting the name sake of a ship class sit and be mothballed while keeping the sistership still going. From reading the HMS Terrible was placed in reserves after her 1902-04 refit and the HMS Powerful was refitted in 1902-04 and put in the reserves till she was reactivated for Harbor duty in 1912.

Again that was fast!

Ironically I came across this page but misunderstood it.

So to recap, the 3 ships we see in this photo (Left-to Right) are HMS Revenge (1892), Frank Beken's boat AND HMS Powerful (1895).

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No problem. I was curious to find out what ship it was exactly. I can do quite a bit of research real fast with my 28" monitor way easier than my old 17" monitor laptop.

I just hope the guys doing the Titanic Honor and Glory game will put this in the game as well since we have photographic proof and the research to back it up.
 

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It would be funny if we ended up in the credits for the Video Game would't we! I did donate towards them and get a cabin, but for privacy sake I rather not say.

We should maybe contact them: Contact

If we now helping them, I can't help but wonder if the Sailing boat seen right of Titanic bow, is the same one taken close towards the ship from Frank Beken's boat. it's would appear to sail away from the ship.

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Photo taken from Titanic Model Research Website Link: TITANIC FORUM - Two pictures of the titanic not so different??
 
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Good research on the British naval vessels. Does anyone know what the 3rd ship in the distance could be? It resembles another naval vessel with its funnels and masts standing straight up, and possibly it is another four-stacker with its remaining funnels hidden behind that sail boat.



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Good research on the British naval vessels. Does anyone know what the 3rd ship in the distance could be? It resembles another naval vessel with its funnels and masts standing straight up, and possibly it is another four-stacker with its remaining funnels hidden behind that sail boat.



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It's definitely got at least 3 funnels and 2 masts but this might require a photograph from a difference perspective.
 

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Oh no...

Turns out there's a second 2-funnelled Battleship in the Solent which would be to the left of HMS Revenge (1892) in the photo taken from Paul Lee Website above. This photo also reports to be taken on or near Ryde Pier on the IoW (but unlike as why would Frank Beken on that far from Cowes?).

In terms of time, it was taken before the photo above as the Titanic has yet to pass the HMS Revenge (1892).

(Photo taken from Old Auction Site Website Link: R.M.S. TITANIC: Unusual real photo of Titanic passing Ryde alongside two warships.)
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Oh no...

Turns out there's a second 2-funnelled Battleship in the Solent which would be to the left of HMS Revenge (1892) in the photo taken from Paul Lee Website above. This photo also reports to be taken on or near Ryde Pier on the IoW (but unlike as why would Frank Beken on that far from Cowes?).

In terms of time, it was taken before the photo above as the Titanic has yet to pass the HMS Revenge (1892).

(Photo taken from Old Auction Site Website Link: R.M.S. TITANIC: Unusual real photo of Titanic passing Ryde alongside two warships.)
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HMS Royal Soverign : taken out of service 1909, so this ship is not in the photo above.

HMS Hood : Hood served most of her active career in the Mediterranean Sea, where her low freeboard was less of a disadvantage. The ship was placed in reserve in 1907 and later became the receiving ship at Queenstown, Ireland. Hood was used in the development of anti-torpedo bulges in 1911–13 and was scuttled in late 1914 to act as a blockship across the southern entrance of Portland Harbour.

HMS Empress of India : Empress of India was commissioned in 1893 and served as the flagship of the second-in-command of the Channel Fleet for two years. She was transferred to the Mediterranean Fleet in 1897. She returned home in 1901 and was briefly assigned as a coast guard ship in Ireland before she became the second flagship of the Home Fleet. The ship was reduced to reserve in 1905 and accidentally collided with the submarine HMS A10 the following year. Empress of India was taken out of service in early 1912 and accidentally struck a German sailing ship while under tow. She was sunk as a target ship in 1913.

HMS Ramilles : Ramilles served in the Mediterranean Fleet (1893–1903), Reserve Fleet (1903–1907), and Home Fleet (1907–1911), and was scrapped in 1913. This ship is also not shown in picture above.

HMS Repulse : Repulse Assigned to the Channel Fleet, where she often served as a flagship, after commissioning in 1894, the ship participated in a series of annual manoeuvres, and the Queen Victoria's Diamond Jubilee Fleet Review during the rest of the decade. Repulse was transferred to the Mediterranean Fleet in 1902 and remained there until December 1903, when she returned home for an extensive refit. After its completion in 1905, Repulse was assigned to the Reserve Fleet until she was sold for scrap in 1911. Not this ship either.

HMS Resolution : Resolution served in the Channel Fleet (1893–1901), then in various subsidiary and commissioned reserve duties until decommissioned in 1911 and scrapped in 1914. Not this ship either.

HMS Revenge : Revenge was placed in reserve upon her return home in 1900 and was then briefly assigned as a coast guard ship before she joined the Home Fleet in 1902. The ship became a gunnery training ship in 1906 until she was paid off in 1913. The ship was recommissioned the following year, after the start of World War I, to bombard the coast of Flanders as part of the Dover Patrol, during which she was hit four times, but was not seriously damaged. She had anti-torpedo bulges fitted in early 1915, the first ship to be fitted with them operationally.[23] The ship was renamed Redoubtable later that year and was refitted as an accommodation ship at the end of the year. The last surviving member of her class, the ship was sold for scrap in November 1919.

HMS Royal Oak : Royal Oak served in the Mediterranean Fleet (1897–1902), Home Fleet (1903–05), Reserve Fleet (1905–07), and the new Home Fleet (1907–11), before decommissioning in 1912 and being scrapped in 1914. Not this ship either.
Above is a quote from what I posted on page one. I am quoting it here for ease of access for myself.

We know for a fact HMS Revenge is in fact one of the ships. The other ship is also a Royal Soverign class ship as well. So we now have a problem cause now which one of those two is actually the HMS Revenge. The other ship there cant be the HMS Royal Soverign as she was removed from service in 1909. She cant be the HMS Hood still cause the HMS Hood was a low freeboard ship and the other ship does not appear to have a lower freeboard. Could be the HMS Empress of India but she was taken out of service in early 1912 and struck a German sailing ship while under tow so doubtful this is the HMS Empress of India now if there was another ship around her it could be a photo of the HMS Revenge escorting the HMS Empress of India while under tow but theres no evidence of one of the ships being under tow. Cant be the HMS Ramilles as she served the home fleet 1907-11 and was scrapped in 1913. The HMS Repulse was sold for scrap in 1911 so cant be her. The HMS Resolution was decommissioned in 1911 so not her either. That leaves the HMS Revenge and the HMS Royal Oak. The Royal Oak was decommissioned in 1912 so looks like I will have to hit up the internet and see just when in 1912 was the Royal Oak decommissioned.

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Well the same site I been using for the cruisers its a uk website it sounds like the other ship could be the HMS Royal Oak. Site says that in her final years she served in home waters before being scrapped in 1914. Also states she was easily identified from her sister ships as she did not have steam pipes fitted aft of her funnels. Hard to pick out a detail like that in the photos above.

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For the ship that is blocked by the sail of the boat this one has some key identifying features that will help in identifying her. If you look at the fore mast and main mast she appears to only have a birdbath style platform on the forward mast. She does not appear to have any form of platform on the rear mast. The forward mast just like the HMS Powerful is situated just aft of the superstructure. You have a verified 3 stack arrangement as well. I decided to look up just a three stack ship of the time and found a convincing hit for a Gem class cruiser. Mainly the HMS Topaze

Gem Class Cruisers

You can see in the link above the lower left HMS Topaze photo shows she has a platform on forward mast that looks similar to what we see in the photo above. I will be digging a little deeper to see if I cant find a more proper fitting ship but so far this is the only suspect I have as of now.
 

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I found a interesting four stack candidate for the ship off in the distance.

a Bristol/Weymouth class light cruiser. These look like the ship in the photo but the unique thing about this class of light cruiser is her two middle stacks are considerably larger in diameter than the fore and aft one. Sadly in the photo just cant really tell if the two forward most stacks in the photo are considerably thicker than the aft most one or not. If they are then it is a Bristol/Weymouth class light cruiser which the Bristol class were launched between 1909 and 1911.

Bristol Class Light Cruiser 1910

Weymouth Class Light Cruisers

Thing is I just cant find any definite answers for where each ship was at in 1912.
 

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If anyone else has any luck here is my line of thinking on identifying the Royal Sovereign class battleships. I am trying to find information on identifying marks for 1912. If you take a look at the stacks the rear most Royal Sovereign class has one white band on her stacks while the lead Royal Sovereign class has three white bands on her stacks.

I am trying to find out the meaning behind these bands as they are no doubt used to identify the ship by specific name since so many were made for said class that looked the same.
 

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Either way 2 out of 4 isn't bad and the possibility of the 3rd ship being HMS Royal Oak (1892) shows you really deserve an award for your knowledge into this. Below I roughly over-layed the two photos to give a sense of scale / panorama.
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With the overlay what it looks like is it looks like in the foreground is a sailing formation. I wonder how many other ships that we don't even see in the photograph was part of this formation.

On second though I think those ships in the foreground are stationary. If they were moving the photographing boat wouldn't still be situated in the same position between the two photos unless all the ships were stationary.
 

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The sailing yacht seen... Did not Lightoller wife supposidly sail close to the ship. Cannot find reference to where I have read this rumor. If so could this be their ship?
 

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The sailing yacht seen... Did not Lightoller wife supposidly sail close to the ship. Cannot find reference to where I have read this rumor. If so could this be their ship?
Never heard that one before. Lightoller would have likely mentioned this in his memoirs otherwise.
 

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With the overlay what it looks like is it looks like in the foreground is a sailing formation. I wonder how many other ships that we don't even see in the photograph was part of this formation.

On second though I think those ships in the foreground are stationary. If they were moving the photographing boat wouldn't still be situated in the same position between the two photos unless all the ships were stationary.
While not connected to the discussion above, Rusty_S, do you like chance know any information on the USS Chester before she was called to the SS Carpathia assistance?