Historical items wanted


Kyrila Scully

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My situation has changed, so now instead of selling MY items, I'm adding to my collection. I'm looking for reproduction items or original items for my Titanic Impact exhibit which I take to schools, churches, libraries and other venues to teach about Titanic to people in need of learning how to survive their own personal traumas. In my collection I have a Marconi set, some pieces of toiletries and "watering can" porcelain --replicas of items brought up from wreck site, also reproduction jewelry, over 90 books and movie props, including china, crystal, a lifebelt and costumes. If you think you have an item I'd like to buy, please email me privately. I'm particularly looking for sheet music and anything that tells a specific story about Titanic or her passengers and crew.
 
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The plates are very nice indeed, but the cups and saucers are dreadful. Pity that the form and also the position of the White Star Line flag is wrong
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Kyrila Scully

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I agree with Jon that these are wonderful pieces, and if I'm not mistaken, some of the pieces are actually made by the same company that made them for Titanic 96 years ago, isn't that right?
 
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While I cannot stress enough how e<font color="ff6000">x<font color="ffff00">ci<font color="0077aa">te<font color="aa00aa">d and pleased I am that Ray produces 'reproduction' WSL china, I think that Vitezslav points out a valid observation.

The "Teacup and Saucer" in the "Wisteria" pattern are NOT anywhere near being accurate in shape to authentic WSL pieces. Likewise, the "Coffee Can" cups and saucers are NOT close in shape or form to the originals. In addition, the WSL burgee is NOT in the correct position on either of the cups. In shape, Ray's Wisteria Coffee Cans more accurately reflect the shape of Cunard's Foley demitasse cups (such as the plain white Foley cups used in the Officer's Quarters aboard the QM and QE for example).

That said, the range and quality of Ray's china is amazing and no other 'reproduction' WSL china to date can compare. I only wish I could afford more of his plates.
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Steve Santini

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Dear Jason,

Perhaps we all, as collectors, should be grateful for the visible differences in the reproduction china.

Were it not for these obvious differences I have no doubt that someone would have by now found a way to artifically age such items and offer them at auction as being the real thing.

Cheers, Steve
 

Eric Longo

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Hi Jason and Steve,

Steve, that is what I was thinking. I was reminded of the boxed set of Titanic reproductions that were sold when the movie came out - those tickets and postcards are frequently artificially aged and altered and can be seen on eBay and in discussed in the threads here as well.

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Steve & Eric,

And I agree entirely! I am sooooo sick (literally) of all the non-authentic WSL and Titanic items being 'passed off' as genuine in today's markets.

I know that Ray is quite aware of this problem as well, and has altered the markings on his reproduction china (such as stamping "Captain's Table" or "Cabin Class" and such on the back) in order to thwart such attempts at forgery.

So, while I secretly wish that there were more accurately reproduced tea cups and saucers so that I could actually use them as intended and enjoy their use (and NOT use the real thing for fear of damage), I'm kinda glad there are not such pieces available ~ keeps the fraud on these types of items in-check.
 
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Timothy Trower

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The forgers are getting more and more clever -- I don't pretend to know anything about the china or silver service used on the ship, but I've seen clever fakes printed using the same methods used in 1912. Makes it more of a challenge, but more satisfaction when you successfully challenge a fake.

I've seen Ray's reproductions, and would love to drop some money of them. But then, what of a future great-grandchild that ages a piece, and claims that great-grandpa Tim got it from a Titanic survivor? For this purpose alone, I'm glad to hear of the differences in shape of some of these pieces.
 
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I absolutely agree with Jason. I wished myself reproduced tea cups that are correct in shape and decor. It kills me that the only one company reproducing White Star Line dishes makes it wrong
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I would like to use them for taking my five o'clock tea...
 
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Kevin Saucier

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I have authentic relics (wood, fabric, ad print from the original negative) for sale on my website. Look under the "Buy Some" tab. It's one of the few places that offer real pieces, with solid client references...many on this forum. Some are very affordable.

TitanicItems.com

Congrats on the improvement in your life. Times are tough now.

Good Luck,

Hi Steve...good to see you back my friend.

Kevin Saucier
 

Ernie Luck

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I contacted the Spode factory a couple of years ago and asked them to consider making some decent replicas, perhaps for the centenary of the sinking.

Their spokesman responded that they had no plans to do so; they had considered it in the wake of Cameron 'Titanic' movie, but the powers that be decided it was too tacky for a reputable company to undertake. Rather a shame but you've got to applaud their principles.
 

Kyrila Scully

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I don't pretend that my collection of china and crystal were actually on Titanic when I do my exhibits, but that they represent the service patterns used. I display them to tell a story about the opulence of the first class, or the beauty of second class and the simplicity of the third class.

They also make lovely place settings for Titanic Mystery Dinners or even just for family dinner.

For what they're being sold as (putting it all in perspective) they're lovely.

And let's face it, the majority of us could not afford the real thing--this is the next best thing. There are just some things that shouldn't be taken so seriously when there's serious things going on in the world that matter so much more.

I'm just going to enjoy my china and not worry about where an imprint is placed. :-D

Cheers!
 

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