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Message: [QUOTE="Samuel Halpern, post: 109344, member: 137378"] [indent] Yes it is great fun. Rowe didn't know what the direction the helm was in, just that it didn't appear to him that the ship was acting as if she was under hard astarboard helm. The only thing I make out of that is that the ship was not still turning to port as the berg was passing the poop. If it were, the berg should have been up against the rail, not just very close by, and he would have also heard scrapping along the side as was heard up in the bow if the ship was still under hard left rudder. Also, there was no known damage aft of the first funnel. Why not if the ship was still carrying hard left rudder all along? As far as Boxhall being a highly trained navigator and would know every star in sight, I agree. But the issue is did he even bother to look at the stars at all between the time of the accident and the time Titanic sank? Nowhere does he say he did. He never explains how he concluded those directions. You are making an assumption here. I've seen too many professional mariners make assumptions that led to disaster. In my opinion, Boxhall probably never even thought about what direction Titanic was pointing until asked about it at the inquiries, and his answers were given in terms of relative bearings assuming the ship was pointing westward. When Rowe left the bridge he said the light was then about 2 points off the port bow and the ship's head was facing north. Rowe was a trained seaman. Boxhall left the ship about the same time Rowe left the bridge. It was when the they stopped firing the socket signals. Rowe had the ship facing north. Boxhall had the ship facing west at the same time. Conflicting testimony. At least Rowe's observation was supported by your so called amateurs. Talk more later.[/indent] [/QUOTE]

Verification: In which year did the Titanic sail?