How many passengers and crew died in 1912 after reaching NY

[Tarn Stephanos]

Excluding those who later died on the Carpathia- How many Titanic passengers (and crew) would die later the same year (1912)? The only one I can think of is Archibald Gracie- were there others, who never recovered from the trauma that night?

regards


Tarn Stephanos

 

[Trevor Powell]

Mary Nackid was the first survivor to die after contracting Meningitis in July 1912. She was two years old.

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[Jonathan Granato]

Who died on the Carpathia?

 

[Thomas E. Golembiewski]

What about the first to die in 1913? I have one--here goes:

Chicago Tribune, Saturday, August 10, 1913, p. 2, c. 4:

Sailor, Titanic Survivor, Dies​

Reginald Lee, One of Seamen in the Lookout
When Steamer Sank, Succumbs in London​

London, Aug. 9--Reginald Lee, one of the two sailors in the lookout when the White Star liner Titanic met in disastrous collision with an iceberg a year ago last April, died yesterday at Southampoton.
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Was he the first Titanic survivor to die in 1913? Also the first spouse--not aboard Titanic, of a victim--who was the first to die? Mrs. J. Clinch Smith died in 1913 in Switzerland; it was said she died from a broken heart.

 

[Michael H. Standart]

>>Who died on the Carpathia?<<

Nobody died once onboard the Carpathia as far as I know. The people who were buried at sea from the ship were already gone by the time they were brought aboard.

 

[Jonathan Granato]

Swot aye thawt, Michael me mate. ;~}

 

[Dave Gittins]

I agree with Michael, though the evidence is a bit conflicting. According to one or two accounts, William Lyons died on Carpathia. Accounts from those in his boat, number 4, agree he was dead before he reached the ship.

 

[Brian Ahern]

Little Eugenie Baclini also died of meningitis in 1912.

If we're talking about 1913, there's Elizabeth Hocking (hit by a car) and Marie Spencer and Kornelia Andrews (pneumonia in both cases). Mr. Frolicher Stehli died either in 1913 or 14. Mr. Stengel died in 1914.

 

[Bob Godfrey]

It's quite possible that Lyons, or any of the other 'dead' people in lifeboats, was found to be still alive when brought aboard the Carpathia and examined by a doctor. Hypothermia can reduce breathing and circulation to the point where both are hard to detect even by a qualified medic. The standard advice for mountain rescue workers, for instance, is never to assume a hypothermia victim is dead even if vital signs can no longer be detected by non-expert personnel. With the means available in 1912, however, the chances of revival would have been very slim indeed.
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[Lucy Steigerwald]

I had no idea that Lee died so early! Poor man. And poor Gracie, who I have had a soft spot for since I read his account of course. Surviving on collapsable b, only to die so quickly afterwards. That sort of things always gets me extra, as do tales of those who died in lifeboats. I just can't help but think, if you survived THAT long it seems rather cruel...But that's just me of course, there was plenty of other cruel things in that event.

 

[Dave Gittins]

I believe Lee was rather too well acquainted with the bottle.

As you can see on this site, Gracie had long suffered from diabetes. This may account for his enthusiasm for exercise and his little feelings of guilt about indulging himself on Titanic. His experiences in the wreck may have contributed to his death, but he was in big trouble beforehand.

 

[Michael H. Standart]

>>I believe Lee was rather too well acquainted with the bottle.<<

That was my understanding as well, although his Death Certificate indicated that the primary cause of death was "From natural causes namely heart disease following pneumonia and pleurisy"

Getting cozy with booze couldn't have helped.

 

[Brian J. Ticehurst]

From my book 'The Seamans Home Southampton - The Titanic Connections' I give you the following:

From The Southern Daily Echo
Friday 8th August 1913
Link with the Titanic: Death of Lookout Man at Southampton
A notable figure among the survivors of the Titanic has been removed by death at the Sailors' Home at Southampton on Tuesday of Reginald Robinson Lee, on whom an inquest was held by the Borough Coroner (Mr. H. K. Pope) yesterday afternoon.
Lee was much in the public eye in the course of the subsequent inquiry, his evidence, as the lookout man who first observed the iceberg being followed at the time with much interest.
At the inquest Norman Ross, assistant steward at the Sailors' Home, said that the deceased came into the home on July 31st last from the Kenilworth Castle. It was noticed that he breathed rather heavily. He did not complain of anything, and witness advised him to see a doctor on Tuesday morning last as he seemed to be a trifle worse. Later in the morning witness went up to his room, and found him lying on his face on the floor partly dressed. The last time he saw him alive was about 11:50 on Tuesday morning.
Dr O'Mara gave evidence to the effect that he was called to the Sailors' Home, and found deceased recently dead. He made a post mortem examination, and found the heart very much enlarged.
He was of the opinion that death was due to heart failure, following pneumonia and pleurisy.
The jury returned a verdict in accordance with the medical evidence."

Regards - Brian

 

[Michael H. Standart]

>>and found the heart very much enlarged. <<

Sounds like congestive heart failure. Unusual in a man that young, even then, but not unheard of.

 

[Dave Gittins]

Whitely was the El Cordobes of witnesses. An artist with the bull!