Ice Clear and Absent Danger


Senan Molony

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A member of ET has made a sneaking complaint to Merseyside Maritime Museum over photographs accompanying this article. Not that any of them are the copyright of the Merseyside Maritime Museum.

This person, whose name is known to me and to the webmaster of this site, regularly parades his opinions here, but did not see fit to raise any query — preferring an attempted "tell-tale" route.

This busybody has previously made skulking ‘disclosures’ to the British Inland Revenue (tax authorities) over people he doesn’t like, and has also penned a disparaging, anonymous online review of a book he didn't read (not any of mine).

As a result of his underhandedness, I received a communication from the MMM today.

The museum now accepts reassurances given by me, and in fact found it perfectly simple to check photographs it holds against those listed in the article under my copyright. None of theirs are featured.

I had previously indicated to them that I possessed a large number of images of Captain Lord. I also own his chart compass, some ephemera, and some better photographs than featured here.

This carping representation to the MMM — sadly unsuccessful for the twaddle-talking complainant — was made by this malicious individual as a result of his being present in the MMM archive reading room in Liverpool last August, when I too was there.

No doubt he noticed my taking photographs of documents in the collection, for which I had full and prior permission, and which proved very useful for later transcription. The complainant was making do with pen and paper.

I make this disclosure because I have no idea what the person involved may be saying in his behind-the-back manner. But these are the facts.

This latest behaviour underlines the very obscurantism to which this person would cling. He would rather suppress than address.

This person can try to skulk in the shadows, but his identity is known and confirmed. I have today written to him, and if need be, he can be made to account for himself in public.

The article, for its part, stays up.

Too bad for the small-minded.
 
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I for one am glad the Article is still up. Who was the Mystery ship if it wasn't the Californian? Was there even a mystery ship or was it a reflections of light on ice. I think there was something out there. These are trained officers after all who say they saw a mystery ship or something out in the night.
 

Jim Kalafus

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Rather foolish to write the letter without first checking the images in your article against those in the museum collection. A glaring oversight, which left this little ploy not a ghost of a chance of succeeding. Keep up the good work, Senan.
 

Philip Hind

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I have received no complaint about the content of this article, and no one from the museum has indicated any concern.

I take copyright infringement very seriously but there seems to be no evidence of it in this case. Just some really great pictures properly accredited.

One has to question what motivated the individual to make the enquiry in the first place.

To be charitable we must conclude they are simply an upstanding citizen committed to protecting the intellectual property of a third party. In which case, no doubt, we'll be hearing more from this moral crusader in the future.
 

Mike Poirier

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Hmmm... Sounds like a case of 'unprofessional' jealousy on the part of the informant. Someone content to be a ghost hiding in the shadows. Stirring the pot and then retreating to the shadows. Tsk!
 

Tad G. Fitch

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I don't know who did the things being discussed here, and it doesn't really matter. Disagreeing with someone's particular conclusions or viewpoints is one thing. However, resorting to this sort of covert behavior in an attempt to undermine someone of a differing opinion is intolerable and has no place here, or in the field of Titanic research.
 
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>>I think there was something out there. These are trained officers after all who say they saw a mystery ship or something out in the night.<<

Indeed there was. Whether or not there was a mystery ship is something best debated on the merits of whatever evidence there is to support or refute it. The sort of skulking around mentioned here is as dishonest as it is disgusting.
 
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Very nice article Senan! Your stamina for properly researching and writing such articles never ceases to amaze and enthrall me. It is unfortunate that certain other people tried to assassinate your character. Such unfathomable esoteric behavior casts a pall over the entire research community. I can't wait to see what your next article will be!
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Senan Molony

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I would like to very sincerely and humbly thank the members of ET for the solidarity expressed here.

As for the invertebrate who conducted himself in such a base manner, it goes without saying that he hasn't had the simple guts to write back to me - or to post anything here in the time since.

If he has gone back to his former haunts, well and good. But if he dares to posture here again, he can expect to be asked to account for his squirming, worming ways.

Once again, my thanks to the ET community, especially in the United States, for their avowal of the fundamental decencies.

This individual has managed to come up with his own comeuppance. That seems poetic justice to me.
 

Inger Sheil

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I've sometimes questioned other researchers on their use of particular photos or their sources, but I've always done so openly and to their face, and I've made every effort to be very sure of my facts before hand.

This was a very serious accusation - that it was utterly unfounded and that apparently no attempt was made by the accuser to even do a basic check on his facts indicates the motives at work. These were obviously to use any means possibly to attempt to discredit Senan.

I can understand why you needed to confront this head on, Sen. My only regret would be if it in any way overshadowed the contribution you've made in your latest article.

And what a tremendous collection of images you have, compiled by hard work and both a collectors and, more importantly, an historians sense of what is important.

May you spend many more hours utilising the latest technology to conduct your research efficiently and thoroughly - we all benefit from the results.
 

Senan Molony

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You will make me all bashful, like this little lad* above, Ing.

Let's not get into the cloying mutual admiration thing - you know I am just a she-man who bats his eyelashes and goes weak at the knees at the sight of any sashaying girly-girl. It would be embarrassing.

* Stanley Lord junior on the deck of the Californian, January 1912.

[Not the copyright of the Merseyside Maritime Museum]
 
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>>These were obviously to use any means possibly to attempt to discredit Senan.<<

Pretty underhanded too.

If somebody has objections or differences or disagreements with the substance of the article, I would wish that they would be adult enough to say so out here in the open forum. That's what it's here for. All this sneaking around accomplishes nothing and reflects badly...very badly...on the party or parties who are doing the sneaking around.

I've had a chance to parse that article and while I haven't had tons of time to read through it, those photos are fantastic!
 

Inger Sheil

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Right you are, then - I'll put the sashay away!

They are great images though - there's nothing quite like that thrill you get when you see a period photograph and think "hang on...I haven't seen that one before!" A change of angle or mood can really alter our perceptions and give us a more rounded concept of an individual, and as we base so many of our interpretations on appearance (often very unconsciously), the more informed we are with a variety of images the better. Lord illustrates the point - he's suffered a bit of a PR problem thanks to stony faced shots.

Of course, the images you've selected to complement the text are not just of human subjects, and they all illustrate your points aptly.

Hang on...I'm sashaying gurlishly again...must rein in positive commentary...
 

Bob Godfrey

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Senan, I note that your article contains the phrase 'surrounded by ice'. Now you are well aware that this phrase was first uttered (frequently) by Captain Robert Falcon Scott. I am confident, however, that you obtained his permission to use it, particularly in view of his famous last words "For God's sake look after our intellectual property."

As for the moral crusader, I think we can give him (if that's not giving too much away!) some marks for effort. If the goal was to discredit a researcher, then clearly that's been achieved, though I daresay an 'own goal' was not quite what he had in mind.
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