Identifying crew in photos


Gaston Sam

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By the way, there is another version of that photo taken from a slightly different angle and which shows some more men in the room. Only in that one you can see another man sitting whom I believe is possibly Hemming.
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I'll try to restore some of the photos so we work better on them.
I've recently restored Philip Vigott's photograph, who I also think is in that other version of the large group photograph.
 
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Michael Hinz

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Regarding the solitary AB, I don't really think he's Hemming. It would be noticeable if it was him given his very short stature. But I do think it is quite possible that man could be AB #2 in the stairs photo.
So if that was the case, he wouldn't be Weller, as the man seems to have less hair than what Weller would have had by that time. So, maybe Anderson? It is also possible he's window cleaner William Harder (aged 39), and in that case it wouldn't surprise me he was sitting appart from the rest of the Deck Crew.

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Good observation. Harder looks like the man who is sitting away from the rest of the deck department but not really like #2 on the stairs. I just asked me one question: Would a window cleaner really wear a sailors uniform? William Harder never worked as an AB on a ship. In fact, Titanic was his first ship.
 
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Michael Hinz

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By the way, there is another version of that photo taken from a slightly different angle and which shows some more men in the room. Only in that one you can see another man sitting whom I believe is possibly Hemming.
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I'll try to restore some of the photos so we work better on them.
I've recently restored Philip Vigott's photograph, who I also think is in that other version of the large group photograph.
It is great that you found Hemming in the picture. I am sure that it is him. :)
 
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Gaston Sam

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Paul, with Michael we've started a private conversation on the subject, and we wanted to add you too, but it seems we can't. Maybe it has to do with your profile configuration?
 
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Are there any sailors in the picture who could not be identified and who could be Anderson and Foley?
There are a couple men actually, though I'm not very sure if they are ABs. Anyway, the physical information I have for Anderson and Foley is:
Anderson: 5' 7" in height, fresh complexion dark hair and moustache (from a newspaper short article reporting him as having escaped from a mental hospital).
Foley: 5' 6" tall (I took it from an extinct THS forum).
 
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Good observation. Harder looks like the man who is sitting away from the rest of the deck department but not really like #2 on the stairs. I just asked me one question: Would a window cleaner really wear a sailors uniform? William Harder never worked as an AB on a ship. In fact, Titanic was his first ship.
I agree. The man sitting apart from the deck department is likely Harder, not Hemming, but is not #2 on the stairs. I think Harder would wear an AB jersey for two reasons, 1) he is a member of the deck department and 2) he would dress smart as he would be in regular contact/view of the passengers. But, the distance can be explained by the fact that this was his first trip whereas the other ABs had years of experience and were often shipmates.
 
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I recently found this quite rare picture of Verandah café steward John Stewart on the website of the French Titanic society. As far as I am aware this picture has not been seen before here, but I could be wrong about that statement.
 
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Hello Thomas, thank you for the great picture! It is true that this picture has not yet been discussed here. If we find this man in one of our group pictures, we have proof that it really is John Stewart. It would be great to be able to add this photo to our archives. :)

Interestingly, there is some resemblance to the man we have held to date as a hypothetical candidate for Isaac Widgery. Gaston Sam estimated in post #30 that this man must be about 5'10'' tall. John Stewart also seems to have been a relatively tall man.

I also noticed that this man seems to smoke a cigarette in every picture - just like the alleged John Stewart. Maybe John Stewart was a heavy smoker. He died aged 62 in 1946 after a protracted illness.
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Hello Thomas, tha nks for that photo. I already knew it, but for some reason I didn't feel he was any of the men in the photos reviewed so far.
I am having second thoughts now, and as Michael suggests, it is possible John Stewart is steward #14 of that photo.
 
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Michael Hinz

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Back to our stair photograph. :)

One tiny detail caught my attention. On the sweater of #19 there seems to be a white writing. The White Star Line letters should be at this height. This man may also be a member of the deck department even though he wears this strange hat. I would imagine it's John Foley. I know, it is not very convincing but that's all the evidence I have on this man. I could not find a fireman or steward with a similar look.

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These are our results so far. It is impressive in what a short time we have been able to discover so many difficult identities. :)

1 – Walter Fredericks

2 – Clifford Weller, John Anderson or John Foley?

3 – Thomas Jones?

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5 – Henry Noss

6 – Eustace Snow

7 – Frederick Barrett

8 – George Kemish?

9 – Albert Self

10 – Reginald Lee

11 – Samuel Collins

12 –

13 – John Pearce

14 – Cecil Fitzpatrick

15 – Frank Dymond

16 – Charles Judd

17 – Thomas Knowles

18 – Edgar Lionel Perry

19 – John Foley or John Anderson?

20 – Walter Hurst

21 – Albert Hunt

22 – Albert Hebb

23 – George Taylor

24 – Patrick Dillon

25 – William White

26 – George Cavell

27 –

28 – Franz Kaspar?

29 – Frederick Sheath

30 – Frank Port

31 – Thomas Threlfall

32 – Albert Fryer

33 – George Godley

34 – Robert Couper

35 –

36 – Frederick Doel

37 – Wilfred Foley

38 – Leo Hyland

39 – Joseph Wheat

40 – John Ellis or Alfred Windebank?
 

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I find all this fascinating and follow it avidly.

I think some context ought to be added as you experts confer. Where the pics were taken and why etc? And why so many individuals?

It is quite significant that some 30% of the ships' crew survived in the lifeboats.

As a bit of an aside, I would like your thoughts on The Californian crew pics; I was told on here Stone wasn't Stone and Groves wasn't Groves; and we have 2 pics of supposedly Stewart in later life that look nothing like the Stewart of 1912. Would you be able or feel so inclined to include The Californian in all this? And apply your expertise?

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Julian
 

Michael Hinz

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Thank you for your friendly message.

Only 23,6% (212 of 899 men and women) of the crew members survived the tragedy. No other group was hit so hard by the sinking. About two thirds of the surviving crew members survived in starboard boats, most of them escaped in the boats 11, 13 and 15. Of the 212 surviving crew members, about 30 men were pulled out of the water, the others boarded the lifeboats simply from the deck.

I think it is possible that one day we will look at the pictures of the Californian crew, but then under a new thread.
 

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#1 – Charles Hendrickson
I am sure that this man is leading fireman Charles Hendrickson (28 years old) who was rescued in the famous lifeboat 1.
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#2 – George Taylor
Thanks to Sam we know that this man is fireman George Taylor (23 years old). He stands left to Charles Hendrickson who was saved in the same lifeboat.
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#3 – Edward Flaherty?
The tallest man in the picture and in my eyes also one of the oldest.I immediately thought of Edward Flaherty - I dont know why. I could not find a fireman with such a heigt.

#4 – George Beauchamp
I have no doubt that this man is fireman George Beauchamp (24 years old). Note his hair line and his outfit.
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#5 – Harry Senior
This man is most likely fireman Harry Senior (31 years old). Note his chin and his outfit.
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#6 – George Kemish?
Thanks to Paul we can assume that this man is fireman George Kemish (22 years old).
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#7 – Arthur John Priest
Sometimes it needs a little imagination to solve a mystery. In this case, half of the man's face is covered by the shadow. But the chin, the mouth and the facial expression soon made me suspect that this man is the "unsinkable stoker" John Priest (24 years old).
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#8 – Frank Dymond
He looks like the man I identified on the stair photo as fireman Frank Dymond (36 years old).
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#9 – Christopher Shulver
This man is definitely fireman Christopher Shulver (28 years old).
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#10 – James Moore
Even though the lighting conditions are not so good, I clearly see fireman James Moore (29 years old) in this man.
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#11 – unknown
I was wondering if these two men could be the same person. Also a similarity between fireman Albert Self (24 years old) and #11 cannot be denied. Maybe you can help me with this unknown man.
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#12 – George Thresher
Even if the photo quality is not very good, we can still see a facial shape that matches that of fireman George Thresher (25 years old).
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#13 – Alfred White?
I could not find a fireman with a similar look. My only thought was greaser Alfred White (32 years old) but it is not very convincing.
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