J. P. Morgan Suite

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I read somewhere that JP Morgan had a specially designed stateroom for him. Which room would have been his if he had sailed?
 
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That is generally stated that the one was designed for J.P.Morgan but the Spring 1912 Issue of the Shipbuilder (as a few other sources) describing the suites had no mention about it.
It would have been B 52-54-56. After it was booked by 2 other people who then cancelled it was occupied by J. B. Ismay.
 
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This is just some more movie nonsense from the 1997 "Titanic".......No doubt that the set was an accurate replication , but this was the suite occupied by none other than the "Caledon Hockley" party. LOL

I don"t recall any refeference or mention to J.Bruce Ismay's location in the movie.

And also the Astor's were shown as emerging from an inside cabin in the 1953 "Titanic."
 
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This is just some more movie nonsense from the 1997 "Titanic".......No doubt that the set was an accurate replication , but this was the suite occupied by none other than the "Caledon Hockley" party. LOL
Yes and no, the rooms while wonderful recreated were actually of different rooms. The sitting room was actually C 55, the fireplace in it a mixture of the C 55 & B 51 fireplace. Rose bedroom was based on B 59 and Ruths or Cals Bedroom looks more like B 58.
 
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Also a "Yes and No". While the deco of the rooms might have been different, I believe that in the dialogue, Cal does mention "B-52-54-56" as the safe is being wheeled in on a dolly and Rose is looking at the paintings in the room .

In ANTR , Ismay is shown in a bed, but the cabin number is not identified.

In the much maligned 1953 "Titanic" movie, J. Bruce Ismay and Thomas Andrews are not even in the cast, nor are they even mentioned. A "Mr. Sanderson" visits Captain Smith on the bridge just before the ship gets underway from Southampton, remarks about the quality of the tea they are enjoying, and Captain Smith gets a parcel from his old first Captain with the flag from his first ship "The Star Of Madagascar" and has it hoisted up the mainmast.......

You have to chalk up a lot of things like this in the movies to "literary license." LOL.
 
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Also a "Yes and No". While the deco of the rooms might have been different, I believe that in the dialogue, Cal does mention "B-52-54-56" as the safe is being wheeled in on a dolly and Rose is looking at the paintings in the room ?
Yes thy did have the suite B 52-54-56 but it is only the promenade which look like aboard. The sitting room is based on C 55 (the one the Strauss couple occupied). There are no known photographs of the bedrooms that is why they used the style of B 59 for Rose and B 58 for Cal.
 
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Thanks very much for the interesting details !
As a very in-expert Titanic fan and a person who served in the Navy for four years but never claimed to have been "a real sailor", this website is a never ending source of education and information for facts from the more expert and better informed members of this website !
Thanks again to you and all the others !
Cheers !
Robert
 
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