Hello Mandy: Thank you for raising these points. I hope they meet with the discussion they deserve. I will follow the thread closely and resist every temptation to identify myself with a pigeon among the cats! Don
Hi Everyone It has come to my attention that a Phillips postcard is currently for sale on e-Bay (#3967566712), but instead of posting a description of it or a photo as is usual, the seller has cut & pasted my post from this ET thread (a response to a question from Miles) from June last year, without my knowledge or permission.
I wish to make it 100% clear that I do not know this person and have absolutely no connection to them or the postcard they are selling.I am utterly furious that my description of a private visit to the Christies auction where the Phillips album was originally sold in 1997 is being used in this way. My post has been copied verbatim, which could give the impression that I am somehow involved in the sale of this card. I re-iterate - this is not the case. If you are considering the purchase of a Phillips card, this may be your opportunity to do so, but please understand that I have nothing whatsoever to do with this sale. Best regards Mandy.
Hi Mandy- Coincidentally, it is [user] who is selling that Phillips card (That's his new eBay name). I had e-mailed him about it since it seemed like he listed it twice, and also he had no pics of it. I doubt he meant any harm from copying what you said but it's very true he should have asked first regardless. I hope he puts pics of it on there cause he really had it framed nice w/ a pic of Jack.
Hi Michael, I've never registered for e-Bay (Pandora's Box for a Titanic Buff!) - it was a friend who spotted this and recognized me from the story. The thing that bothers me the most is that my description of a Phillips card discussing Titanic is included, but no description or picture of the card that is actually up for auction is given. This could mislead a potential bidder into thinking they are buying a 'Titanic' card, when, if this is a 1911 card, they are not. Hopefully the seller will amend the description accordingly and preferably remove all of my original ET posting. I appreciate that this is in no way ET's fault. Thanks for your continued hard work.
Hi Darren, Thanks for the info. This is a first for me. In the past I have had large portions of my published Titanic articles 'borrowed' from magazines and pasted on other people's web sites under their names. I even once had a person who was so eager to 'borrow' my research that they also copied my spelling errors from the original article! However, I've never had someone trying to 'borrow' one of my Titanic memories. For the record, on the day I visited Christies, there were only three people in the room with the album. Myself, my friend from Godalming and the Christies postcard specialist. They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery but in this case, it has simply made me very angry indeed. I am now seriously considering whether I will ever post on ET again. Sorry everyone, but you may just have to wait for me to finish the book (eventually.....) All the best Mandy.
>>I've never registered for e-Bay (Pandora's Box for a Titanic Buff!) <<
It's Pandora's Box for a lot of reasons. Not the least of which is you can't always tell the swindlers out to make a fast buck from the honest brokers. I suppose the Good Guys way outnumber the con men, but the con-men certainly put the Good Guysin a very bad light. In any event, I don't know that there's any barrier to contacting them and letting them know about this. You can go HERE for contact information.
They *might* not do anything, but it can't hurt to try.
Miles does indeed own this card- He posted some pics of it after he had it framed- I forget where exactly that thread is on here tho. I'm going to e-mail him today about A. Not having a pic of it in the listing, and B. Using what Mandy posted here for his description- I haven't heard from him in a few weeks tho, so hopefully he'll reply. Darren
Don't bother emailing him through ebay, I've already tried yesterday & he hasn't replied yet.
Up until I read this thread, I was under the impression that the pc up for sale on ebay was the same one listed in 'Fortune and Fate' Under the Stanley Lehrer collection. The description is very misleading...
The listing is off. I'm not selling the postcard. I'm sorry for using what someone said on the listing. I tend to forget how people on this site get their nickers in a twist over such stupid things. I know how some people can be on this forum. You will prob talk about this 'evil copy and paste' crime for weeks and weeks, write in-depth studies on the subject etc & why not call the police as well as Ebay ?
The listing is now off. Get over it. Surly there are more important things in life to worry about!
>>The listing is now off. Get over it and on with your lives <<
Miles, the *issue* is that you cut and pasted somebody elses words and represented them as your own and/or presented them in a manner where one would assume they're your own, only they're not.
Is copyright a sensitive issue here under any circumstances and for any reason?
You're damned right it is! That's because there's a lot of stealing out there and quite a bit of deliberate misrepresentation to go along with it. You may not have intended anything dishonest, but think of the perspective of somebody on the "outside looking in" who has no way of knowing.
The hell of it is all you had to do is either ask to use that reply or just give credit where it's due by naming the source. Simple steps like that can save you a lot of embarrassment.
I do not intend to dignify Miles's comments with a response.
However, I am glad to hear that the listing has been removed and that no innocent bidder has accidentally bought a 1911 Phillips card having been misled into thinking that they were actually buying a 1912 card that mentions Titanic.
I think that lessons have been learned from this incident on all sides and it is right to close the subject and move on.
Finally, I would like to thank the many ET friends who have sent me private e-mails messages of support over this issue. It has been really heartwarming to hear your words and clearly the bonds of the Titanic community are as strong as ever. Thank you one and all.
Michael - I just spotted your post while I was composing mine. Thank you.