Jenny The Titanic Cat

George Behe

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Beverly wrote:

>LOL!!!You almost make them sound cuddly Were the >rats also restless, really???

Hi, Beverly!

Jack Podesta described how (on April 13th) he and a mate took a break from firing their boilers and were standing beside one of the watertight doors. They happened to glance forward and saw half-a-dozen rats scurrying toward them from the area where the collision would later occur; the two men kicked out at the rodents as they passed beside their feet. Podesta didn't think anything of the incident at the time, but he later expressed the opinion that "it is true that they can smell danger."

Kate Gilnagh told Walter Lord that a rat scurried across the floor on the night of April 14th and disturbed a party that was taking place in steerage.

All I can say is that -- regardless of the *true* cause of these incidents -- behavior like this is very atypical of rats (and I know whereof I speak.) :)

>Were ever did you dig up that piece of >information??? Incredible!!

It's in the latest issue of "Rat Monthly." ;-)

(Podesta related his own info in an interview he gave in Southampton in the 1960s, and the Gilnagh info came from ANTR.)

All my best,

George
 

George Behe

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Hi, Tracy!

If I recall correctly, organisms that behave strangely prior to earthquakes are thought to be reacting to subsonic vibrations that are too low in frequency to be detected by human beings. (I don't know if that explanation has been proved beyond all shadow of doubt, though.)

All my best,

George
 

Mike Herbold

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George and Tracy:
Greetings from earthquake country. Haven't had a rat for a pet since I was a kid oh these many moons ago, but can tell you for a fact that our cats and dogs have often exhibited bizarre behavior before a quake. They'll start running around in circles, or run into a corner and perk up.

I remember reading of serious studies of unusual animal behavior before quakes in the hopes of using it to provide an earthquake early warning, and it seems that every time we have a big one a story comes out after the fact that cats, dogs, horses, and other animals had been acting queerly. But personally, having been through dozens of quakes over the years, I'd just as soon have no prior warning. The anticipation is often worse than the real event.

To get back to the Titanic story, if nobody paid any attention to the ice warnings themselves, I doubt they would have changed course or speed based on the say so of some rats.
 
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I don't know whether this subject still can be treated, after 18 years I see... I am a disaster medicine researcher. Dogs and cats hear less low frequencies than humans, they perform better in the ultrasound level, which is relative compared to sea mammals or bats. Cows and elephants, ferrets too, better hear in the infrasound range. But earthquakes or tsunami's frequencies are well below their hearing capacity too.
Detection of infrasound is not conducted over the ear or bone of the skull, it is detected by the corpuscles of Pacini. These are sensors in the skin and they refer or relay to some visceral organs and regions like the kneepits. We all have them, even we humans. We know the sensation when these sensors are excited, but humans do not read them as danger anymore. For instance, standing at the edge of a great highth and looking over the ramp, or sensing infrasound during disaster movies with their dolby sensurround effects, leads to a strange sensation in the abdomen and 'knicking' knees. This has a purpose! It says: RUN! Run away from the stimulation source until you do not sense it anymore. You will find yourself away from an epicenter or on a higher ground watching a tsunami wave go by. That is why animals run away from disturbing infrasound. Not because they hear it, but because they feel it. Elephants are known, by experiment, that their big soles are packed with these and other sensors, that can pick up the roaring of lions travelling through the floor instead through the air.
 

Jenny Funnell

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Hi, Beverly!

I don't remember what Phil Hind's policy is on posting copyrighted material here on ET, so -- with your permission -- I'll send the text of the Irish Times article to you in a private email.

All my best,

George
Hi George, would you be able to send me a copy of the text from the Irish Times article? Have only just joined but am so glad that I did!
 

Mark Baber

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Hello, Jenny---

Please note that the message you're responding to is from 2001 and that George hasn't visited us here in about 15 years, so you will likely not get a response from him.