Joseph Boxhall

Cheers! I'll have to get up there this summer :-) There's currently a family wedding in Oz, but when Miriam gets back to the UK I'll see if she's interested in a trip to Hull.
 
Inger

I don't know how to open this new account!
I'm trying to get IT support.. If I can't work it out I will ring you. I've been in London again today - it would be easier to call in and see you!!!
 
This has nothing to do with Boxhall, but reading about Hull reminds me of my student days when I lived in a flat just a stone's throw from the Kingston Villa retirement home in Pearson Park, where Edward Ryan was resident at the time. He was the 3rd Class survivor who boarded lifeboat 14 wearing a makeshift woman's headscarf. Unfortunately I didn't discover we had been neighbours till 30 years later! I missed another opportunity in the '70s when I was a near-neighbour of stewardess Violet Jessop. Sadly, my interest in Titanic came too late for Violet, too.
 
Hello all - just stumbled across the website by doing some research on both sides of my family. Joseph Groves Boxhall was my grandmothers uncle, making him my great, great uncle (I think!). Direct descendants of Joseph Groves will be difficult, as I think i'm right in saying he had no children. Look forward to learning more about my relatives!
 
Hallo Michael! You're one of Miriam's grandchildren? Delightful to meet another member of the family :-) Your grandmother and the other members of your family I've been in contact with have been some of most wonderful, warm, hospitable and gracious folks I've been in touch with since I came to the UK, and not only in the context of research. It was great to hear of the family wedding in Australia this month. You're quite correct - Joseph Groves Boxhall and Marjorie had no children, although from what your grandmother has told me he had a wonderful relationship with her and her children.

Welcome to the board!
 
Inger

Actually not a relation of Miriams, but the grandson of Kathleen Elma Kitching (nee Boxhall. She was the only child of John W.G Boxhall (one of Joseph's brothers). In fact, as far as I can gather, the only direct descendant of the three brothers! Will keep the board posted of news!
 
Hallo Michael -

There seems to be a bit of confusion here, as Boxhall had no brothers. He had three sisters, Violet (older), Mabel (younger) and Enid (youngest, who died only a few months after she was born), but Joseph Groves was the only male child of Joseph and Miriam Boxhall (the Miriam I referred to was named for her grandmother, Joseph Groves' mother). From memory, his niece has told me there was at least one if not more step-siblings after his father remarried - his father's wife had children from her first marriage.

Feel free to drop me a line if you like to clear this up - when she returns from Australia I'd be happy to run these names by Miriam to see if she recognises them.
 
Hello Inger,
This question is not specifically about Boxhall, but about all the surviving officers. Did the
surviving officers give interviews to the newspapers in their home towns ( or when they arrived back in England ) at the time of the disaster. And if they did, were they perfunctory or do you think they shed new details not found in the inquiry. I know crewman gave interviews, but I assume the officers, if they granted interviews, would be leery of doing or perhaps asked not to speak at all at the request of the WSL.
Many thanks
Mike
 
Hallo Mike -

There is a newspaper item headed 'Interview with Mr Lowe' which is nothing of the sort - it's quite amusing! Lowe made a few remarks to a reporter to the effect that he, like his fellow officers, was not giving interviews, but (either not yet knowing enough about the habits of journalists, or perhaps not caring) went on to make a few comments about the American press that, of course, were reported.

Lowe seems to have been the most prone to making comments that were picked up by the press - it began in America, continued through the duration of his stay there, and even occured in the aftermath when he returned to Barmouth and reporters recorded his remarks at a couple of ceremonies held to honour him. I do suspect that in at least one instance, while still the US, he was possibly deliberately making a statement that he wanted reported to pressure Senator Smith on a particular issue. For the most part, however, there was no substantive interview as such, and those remarks he did make that were recorded do not shed too much light on the actual disaster (although they are highly significant in terms of revealing Lowe's character, personal response to the sinking, and the behind the scenes post-sinking politicking).

There don't seem to be many interviews with the officers in the more immediate post-sinking era, although Lightoller and Boxhall both gave later interviews, Boxhall both in print and electronically. I haven't completed my trawl through all their local papers, though, so am still hoping to turn up at least the odd nugget of information. While the local papers did have some interesting biographical background and reported on their evidence and sometimes specific incidents or comments, unfortunately they don't seem to have granted interviews. I believe you are correct and they were instructed not to do so - certainly Lowe's subpoena (a handwritten document from the office of the Receiver of Wrecks) was given to him as soon as he stepped off the Adriatic. Harold Bride's father mentioned a few weeks later when he arrived in the UK that Harold had been ordered not to talk to the newspaper men - I imagine a similar directive was given to the deck officers.
 
Hello Inger,
Thank you very much for the reply. This is all very interesting- especially the subpoena. I find that the smaller, 'home town' newspapers were prone to be more honest, though not always.
Funny, that 'key' people were most likely asked not to talk, but the average crewman would grant an interview. Again, this is all very interesting and I thank you for sharing.
Mike
 
No worries, Mike. I think in many instances, small hometown papers might have a familiarity with the individual, or at least the family. I was amused at the reports of the committee to recognise Harold Lowe, particularly when one of his old teachers noted that he remembered Harold well. No mention as to why he was well-remembered...

Yes, it's a pity that while the rest of the crew were giving interviews to the American, Plymouth, Liverpool and Southampton papers, there are indications that more senior members were being restrained. Of course, more junior crew could have a certain anonymity - many of them comment as 'a steward' or 'a stoker' etc.
 
>>Funny, that 'key' people were most likely asked not to talk, but the average crewman would grant an interview.<<

Actually not really all that surprising under the circumstances. These people knew they were going to be under quite a bit of scrutiny after being at the helm of a ship that was wrecked. With future careers potentially on the line, they would be very careful what they said either to the press or in official tstimony.

Nothing much has changed since then either.
 
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