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Message: [QUOTE="Samuel Halpern, post: 58604, member: 137378"] G'day Dave Gittins. You wrote, I don't see where Bride gives any hint as to where Phillips got the coordinates from. Since he mentions only Smith being there it would be natural to assume that it was Smith himself who gave those coordinates to Phillips right then and there. I think you are reading more into what Bride wrote only because you know that Boxhall had worked up the coordinates that were eventually sent out as a "corrected position" at 10.35 NYT. But the position that went out 10 minute earlier was not the Boxhall coordinates. They were picked up by the Mount Temple, Ypiranga, and Cape Race with 50Â° 24' W longitude, yes 10' further west. There can be many explanations for that especially if the 7:30 fix may was put down in error in the first place do to single systematic error which affected all star lines of position, an error that may have been been made by Pitman, not Boxhall. Well, you know where I'm coming from on this. Captain Collins: Senator PERKINS. I suggest that these papers be put in the record. This is a list of the survivors [indicating] and this other paper is the memorandum made by Mr. Pitman in regard to the ship's run. The CHAIRMAN. They may be included as part of the record. Unsigned or not, it was submitted on April 24, 1912, at 2:30 pm. and entered as being made by 3/O Pitman and put into the record. That is not to say there weren't errors in that memorandum, but the daily mileages run can be cross checked with other sources, and these have been. And as far as those "162 miles" to the corner from Lowe not being a transcription error in transposing 2 digits, consider what Lowe was telling Sen. Smith. He said he used a speed of 21 knots taken over 6 hours to the corner. Do the math. It comes to 126 miles. He obviously came up with that speed by doing the opposite, dividing 126 by 6 which is a simplification of the actual time from noon to the turning point of 5 hrs 50 min. He just wanted Smith off his back in that discussion about speed. The 126 miles is also the remaining miles to the corner after subtracting the total mileage run to noon Apr 14. So we have two different ways that gets to the same result. Dave Brown, welcome back. I have quite few comments on what you wrote as you probably expect. But I'll have to save it for now. But as you know, I have a few other things to deal with at the moment. [/QUOTE]

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