Anyone else share my skepticism over this? This idea has been bouncing around for a long, long time, and the absence of any specific information of any sort on the web site Allen provided leaves me wondering.
I agree 100% John. I too have been waiting for some clever entrepreneur to come up with an homage to the glorious golden age of travel and have the fabulous decor and chic of a Deco Normandie-something really elegant and classy with the great floor shows, dance bands and supper clubs of the 1930's. I hope I live long enough to see it.
Absolutely right, Dave- that website is beyond cheesy-these people have mined every possible cliche in the book. It would take Donald Trump bucks to pull this thing off.
Yes, Shelley. The golden age of steamship travel would be just right for a casino. Elegant and classy. I suppose they couldn't name their casino-hotel after the "Queen Mary", since she's still around and they don't own her. Would there have been any problem naming it the "Ile de France" or after another famous liner of that time?
I suppose when 'the general public' think "golden age of steamship travel" or 'famous old ship', they first think of Titanic. There was gambling on Titanic, and there is something ice-berg like about the appearance of a skyscraper. It won't be decorated like Titanic, though. It won't 'feel' like the sort of ship we think Titanic was.
And surely it's bad luck to call attention to a disaster.
Bits of the beautiful old Normandie used to be at the hotel Fontainbleu I think.I have had my fill of casinos thanks to Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods in my backyard, but a swanky Monte Carlo style Gaming Parlour attached to a fabulous Art Deco hotel, theatre, restaurant, etc. would get my vote. I'd go for the atmosphere. One could even have a mock Orient Express to transport guests among the buildings. With the return of ballroom dancing, I bet a dance band would be a hit- with a real floor guests could cut a rug. And I would opt for something really novel- a QUIET place for old poops like me who would love to have a glamorous reading room and library with a view where one could write letters and relax, with maybe a lecture series and afternoon concerts of classical music. Hey, we Boomers will soon be a majority of retirees looking for more genteel surroundings. Donald Trump are you out there listening?
The citizens of Rockaway Beach, MO tried to get riverboat gambling on Lake Taneycomo which also goes past Branson. The opposition to riverboat gambling fought off the big casinos who spent millions of dollars in advertisements trying to get the vote to allow riverboat gambling on Lake Taneycomo, and the gambling issue was soundly defeated. So we won't see a casino like proposed in Nevada being built in Branson, MO! Robert H. Gibbons
I agree with Shelley that such a thing could be a hit, if it was skillfully executed and marketed. I hate to say it, but I think it would be wiser in such a case to market the liner theme as secondary, since making too much of it might make the more mainstream crowds lose interest and it would only appeal to wierdos like us.
So who do we call Brian? We can make a zillion maybe! One of the cruises I most fondly recall was aboard the ageing Galileo back in 1985 when she was owned by Chandris. There was hot bouillion cups at 10 a.m. on deck, shuffleboard, mock wooden horse -racing, trivial pursuit tournaments, dancing and dance lessons, and a minimum of noise. There was a miniscule gambling room tucked out of the way mercifully, and lovely old-fashioned deck chairs. The sounds were seagulls, sloshing waves and deck joggers gently plodding at dawn. I had a REAL porthole which opened, an attentive steward and a kindly old captain who ambled about beaming at passengers, who took me up to the bridge. The doors were wooden, the decks looked like teak, the deck chairs were wooden, there was plenty of brightwork which was polished by dedicated crew out at dawn with a rag and Brasso, and the ship pretty much went to bed at midnight when the gentle rocking and steady slosh-slosh lulled one to sleep. The dowager Island Breeze back in 1996 gave me another such blessed experience. That's my idea of a cruise. I can get all the blaring discos, blasting noise, cabaret, shopping boutiques and jingling casinos on land- thank you very much.
I must be getting old.... the good old days look better and better.
I am the owner and developer. Just so you know, IT IS HAPPENING. Also, just because something is going to happen doesn't mean you'll immediately see a sign that announces it. There are procedures that need to be dealt with before a press announcement is released. For all who don't like the idea, don't come and visit. I get hundreds of emails a day from those who will. What about Treasure Island? Didn't pirates rape, steal & kill? What about the Luxor? Who built the pyramids? THE SLAVES. So, once again, if you don't like it, don't come. If you do, have a good time, because it will be done with the utmost care, class, style, and honor...go visit the Titanic Exhibition in Branson Missouri. We won't be building there.
Your time aboard the Galileo sounds wonderful, Shelley--just like something out of a book about the golden days of ocean travel. It's amazing that a passenger could still experience something like that only 20 years ago! Sorry to say, I missed out--and now, I'm afraid, it's gone.
I can't quite see how building a roller coaster with an ice theme at a Titanic themed resort/casino translates to 'class', but then I suppose tastes differ. Will you also be building a 9/11 themed resort if this one takes off? How about the 'Hurricane Katrina' experience? Think of the roller coaster theme you could work out for that. 'Boxing Day Tsunami' hotel, anyone?
Having spent some time with families who lost loved ones in the sinking, I can guarantee that this 'classy' way of 'honouring' their family members won't be seen in that light by them.
Certainly I don't intend to visit. But this is a free discussion board, and we're all entitled here to make our own observations on your project and the motivation behind this exploitation of a tragedy.
And just so you're kept abreast of current historical thought - the current prevailing theory among Egyptologists is that the pyramid workforce were most likely not slaves at all, but rather a well fed and cared for section of the Eygptian population that was indentured for certain periods during the pyramids construction. When their period of service finished, they returned to their fields.
I knew it would not be long before this argument came up. It has been debated over and over, and though we are, indeed, entitled to our opinions, I doubt we will ever come to an agreement. Certainly the 9/11, Katrina, Tsunami disasters are fresh in many of our minds. Over time feelings change, emotions change, and though I am not condoning any such action, I think we all need to realize such.
What is tasteful--it differs from person to person, but we should not necessarily give in to the majority if we think otherwise.
I came in on this one late. There is a Titanic-themed roller coaster being built somewhere?? I can't even imagine how such a thing can be done with any care or honor. However, I would guess that those who know nothing of the Titanic or of her passengers and crew will visit.
I can't even imagine how respect and honor can be shown to the Titanic and her passengers and crew by building such a thing. I keep seeing someone saying, "by the way, about 95 years ago over 1000 people died horrible deaths in the sinking....but have fun on the roller coaster anyway."
Actually this is nothing new, Coney Island opened up a Titanic exhibit and ride immediately and made a good profit right after the disaster. John Eaton wrote a great article about it. There was also a recreation of the Great Chicago Fire daily- odd what people will do for amusement. Scary actually.
>>I am the owner and developer. Just so you know, IT IS HAPPENING. Also, just because something is going to happen doesn't mean you'll immediately see a sign that announces it. There are procedures that need to be dealt with before a press announcement is released. For all who don't like the idea, don't come and visit. I get hundreds of emails a day from those who will. What about Treasure Island? Didn't pirates rape, steal & kill? What about the Luxor? Who built the pyramids? THE SLAVES. So, once again, if you don't like it, don't come. If you do, have a good time, because it will be done with the utmost care, class, style, and honor...go visit the Titanic Exhibition in Branson Missouri. We won't be building there.<<<
Well if you build it as it looks you will, it will be extremely tasteless. Why don't you take a visit to the Venetian and see what a REAL casino is all about. Your idea capitalizes on the cheese factor.
It also may be wise to come up with a logo that doesn't look as if it was pulled from the "Titanic: Adventure Out of Time" game.
I'm sorry, but this is just in poor taste. I can see something successful about doing the Titanic in Las Vegas, but not the way you have planned. Sorry but I think you'll be filing for chapter 11 before the place is even a year old.
>>I am the owner and developer. Just so you know, IT IS HAPPENING.<<
That's nice. Best of everything in your enterprise. (And perhaps you can offer links to current photos so interested parties can keep track of the progrsss. The Branson Missouri enterprise is doing that.)
>>Who built the pyramids? THE SLAVES.<<
Actually, that's very questionable. As Inger pointed out, the best evidence points to the pyramids being built by free men who were well looked after and not slaves. Aside from being considered to be quite an honour, the work was more then welcome during portions of the season where it either wasn't possible to grow crops or harvest was a long way off. Nor was this limited to just the pyramids. Settlements have been excavated near the Valley of the Kings for example which were not occupied by slaves.
There's nothing wrong with capturing the Edwardian Gilded Age flavor, or the great liners and their interiors, including Titanic. I think what makes many uneasy is the emphasis on icebergs, gambling and things which draw too much inspiration from the actual disaster scenarios. I remember during the 1996 liner cruise out to the wreck site with RMST, there were some critics making cracks about "gambling above the wreck"-how irreverent, inappropriate, etc. That did not happen actually- all that sort of thing was firmly shut down over the Titanic's final resting place. But in Vegas, there has to be Casino-and that and the many references in the iceberg, glacier, etc. vein will put some people off. Amazing, how even after all this time, sensitivities still run high about this ship. A lot of this is sacred turf to many people. Even museums and artifact exhibits nervously toe that careful line between respectful, educational and entertaining. Everything depends upon the presentation and packaging of the final product. Marketing Titanic is a tricky, tricky business which can have some ugly backlash and backfire if not done with great care and thoughtfulness.
>>>Marketing Titanic is a tricky, tricky business which can have some ugly backlash and backfire if not done with great care and thoughtfulness.<<<
Yes it is. And perhaps Mr. Rubin should hire some consultants regarding this matter. The whole project should be toned down - A LOT!!! Perhaps that iceberg hotel could be replaced with something more tasteful, perhaps a larger version of the Southwestern Hotel would be more appropriate. What am I saying? The whole thing is TACKY!!!