Lawrence Beesley

[Kathy Geary]

I am interested in Lawrence Beesley. I have read that he married a second time a few years after the Titanic sank. Did he remain a teacher? Was he still interested in the Titanic? Did he speak about the Titanic publicly in his later years? Is there any printed information about him?

 

[Brandon Whited]

Hello Kathy,

I do believe, and am almost certain that, Mr. Beesley did continue teaching after the Titanic disaster. As for printed information, he wrote one of the first books about the sinking entitled "The Loss of the S.S. Titanic". It was published a mere six weeks after the ship sank, and is actaully quite accurate in its description of the sinking, or so I've heard. Have you read it?

-B.W.

 

[Pat Cook]

Hi Kathy,

To answer some of your questions, Brandon is quite right. Lawrence Beesley did continue teaching, not only science but also Christian Science. He married a second time in 1919 to Muriel Greenwood (nee Brownjohn). Beesley was called on many times to speak about the Titanic and even acted as an (uncredited) techincal advisor on the movie "A Night To Remember". However, he would not speak of the disaster at home or with his family.

If you're interested, there's an article here on Lawrence Beesley written by a very handsome gentleman - can't recall his name - which will give you a bit more info on him. Go to the main page and look under "Titanica".

Hope this has been of some help,
Cook

 

[Mike Herbold]

Pat:
It's been awhile since I read that good-looking article. Thanks for the reminder. It gets better with age. Being golf-minded, I was wondering whether you have ever tried to find which years Beeseley played in the British Open and a record of his scores.

All the best,
Mike

 

[Pat Cook]

Hey Mike! Always a treat to hear from you, O M. And thanks for the kind words.

I've found out ALL SORTS of goodies about Lawrence - however, nothing more regarding his golf game nor when he entered the British Open. However, we may, at least, set some sort of timeline. He stopped playing in 1934 (I have since found out this was due to his getting a double hernia). Also, since he was 34 when the Titanic went down, my guess would be sometime in the 20's to early 30's. I have a wonderful 1933 photo (gracously sent to me by Dinah, his step-daughter) of Lawrence and his family on the links, with the middle daughter, Waveney, getting a lesson from the golf pro, (I also have a photo of her after she won the Craig Cup at Stoke Poges golf course in 1933. Would you believe I found that one on Ebay?!)

Hope this is of some help, sir.

Best regards,
Cook

 

[Kathy Geary]

Hi, thanks to all who responded re: Lawrence Beeseley! He always seemed an interesting person to me. Yes, I have read the account he wrote right after the Titanic sank. Since men who survived the Titanic were often maligned when so many women and children died, I wonder if Lawrence had to endure this? He was just fortunate to be at the right place at the right time. I wonder why he was reluctant to talk about his experiences to his family, but yet willing to talk publicly?

 

[Pat Cook]

Hi Kathy,

I may have mislead you there. He DID speak publicly but not of his own volition - he didn't want to. In fact, he didn't want to write his book in the first place; like other survivors, he wanted to put the horrific experience behind him. However, as I'm sure you remember from his writing, he felt someone who was there should tell what happened (1) for history's sake and (2) to squelch the more sensational newspaper stories that were running rampant at the time. Personally, I believe he felt it was his 'mission'. However, when called on, later in life, to recall the catastrophe he would 'do his bit' but, in my opinion, he'd rather not have to remember it ever again.

Regarding whether Beesley felt any recriminations about being a male survivor, I have never found any evidence of this. I believe this stigma was hardest on the First Class men who survived rather than the other two classes. Of course, this group also got more press, consequently today we find more written about them.

Best regards,
Cook

 

[Geoff Whitfield]

Kathy - You wouldn't be the first young girl that Cook has mislead!!

 

[Pat Cook]

Don't listen to him, Kathy - he's got two grandfathers named Blanche and Helen!

 

[Kathy Geary]

Hi Cook,

Thanks for info. It has been a while since I read Lawrence's account; I need to reread it. I wonder what Lawrence would think about all the interest in the Titanic today, in particular the artifacts being brought up, etc. etc. I'd think he'd find it intriguing, but maybe that's a fanciful thought on my part. As I mentioned before, Lawrence seems an interesting man to me. Where in England did he live?

 

[Pat Cook]

Hi Kathy,

These are the addresses I have so far for Lawrence and the dates he was living at same:

1877 - 1901 - Wirksworth.

1903 - 12 Bakeman street, Cambridge.

1906 - 23 Whitman Road, Beckenham

1909 - 8 Manor House, Marylebone Road, London, Telephone number 716.

1911 - 4 Titchfield Terrace, Regents Park, N. W, London, Telephone 5044, P O Hampstead.

1912 - 1915 Pembroke House, 133 Oxford Street, Res. 39 Abbey Road N. W., London, Telephone P O Hamp. 4644. These addresses were either his personal flat or the offices he used to see his Christian Science 'clients'.

1919 - 9 Old Cavendish Street, Marylebone.

Early 1920's - Lawrence lived in Harrow -in-the-Hill, Middlesex and travel 15 miles to his consulting rooms at 10 Nottingham Place, London.

1934 - Bexhill (no address as yet)

1967 - 75 Carew Road, Northwood, Middlesex.

That's all I have so far - probably a little more detailed that you wanted. If anyone out there, by the way, knows any other addresses, please let me know.

Best regards,
Cook

 

[Pat Cook]

While we're speaking of Mr. Beesley, I ran across a passage in Chapter VI that I'm trying to corroborate. It reads:

"...when the lookout man saw the iceberg and rang the bell three times, the usual signal from the crow's nest when anything is seen dead-ahead. By telephone he reported to the bridge the presence of an iceberg, but Mr. Murdock had already ordered Quartermaster Hichens at the wheel to starboard the helm..."

It seems as if Beesley is suggesting that Murdoch either ordered the ship over before knowing what the danger was or where it was (via the bridge telephone) OR he saw the berg before the warning bell. My problem is where did Lawrence get THIS piece of info? I'm rereading Hichens, Fleet and Lee's testimonies but so far I can find nothing that suggests Murdoch gave the starboard order prior to the phonecall. The closest I can come up with was Fleet saying he called up the bridge and as he held the phone he could see the ship start to starboard (paraphrasing here) and Beesley, being a scientist, knowing something about the bulk of the ship, speed in the water, etc., was ASSUMING somebody must've seen the berg earlier for the ship to begin turning so quickly after Fleet called it in. Moody and Hichens were in the wheelhouse with the shutters closed, this would only leave Murdoch. It's thin but it's all I can find right now.

I would welcome any suggestions (provided they don't involve any actual physical work).

Best regards,
Cook

 

[Christine Geyer]

This week I have received a copy of William MacQuitties book "The making of A night to remember". There are two photographs of the "later" Lawrence Beesley inside, that show him when he visited the studios. Obviously he was very mooved to see the actions that took place there. Those were the only photos I have ever seen of him besides that "famous" that is to be seen in each and every book. But you can recognize him immediately.

Many regards

 

[Christine Geyer]

This week I have received a copy of William MacQuitties book "The making of A night to remember". There are two photographs of the "later" Lawrence Beesley inside, that show him when he visited the studios. Obviously he was very mooved to see the actions that took place there. Those were the only photos I have ever seen of him besides that "famous" that is to be seen in each and every book. But you can recognize him immediately.

Many regards
Christine

 

[Pat Cook]

Dear Christine,

I haven't seen this book yet but I can see that I must get it. Can you describe the photos? I know of four in relation to ANTR - one with Beesley sitting in a lifeboat speaking with McQuitty, one with Beesley standing at a railing by himself, a third with Lawrence sitting at a table, holding up a cutaway of the Titanic - also seated with him are Gus Cohen and Violet Jessop - and the fourth shows Lawrence flanked by two pretty cast 'extras'. Or are there other photos other than the ones I described?

Best regards,
Cook