Linoleum

I have been told that the linoleum on the floor in front of the grand staircase was the first time linoleum had been walked on or seen by anyone ever, and that it was more expensive than marblel. Can anyone confirm this? Any documentation on this. (I've discovered it's not uncommon for "neat" stories to get passed on as fact, without any real basis in fact.)
 
Yes, linoleum tiles were used in the grand staircase on the Olympics. It was a very new invention in 1912, and yes it was very expensive. Whether or not it was more expensive then marble, I don't know. As for the first time it was EVER used, I'd have to say this is pretty doubtful, though I have no proof to back this up...

Hope this helps!
 
A little dig round the Internet suggests that linoleum was not very expensive in 1912, though that used on ships was doubtless heavier than average. It had been around since 1862, when and Englishman called Frederick Walton started factory production of it. Long before 1900 it was being made in the USA.

When I was a little kid I used to play on the linoleum. We couldn't afford a piano!
 
Sorry folks, the Linoleum story is a Titanic urban legend.

As Dave points out, Linoleum had been around for decades before Titanic, had been used in dozens of ships before her, and was comparatively cheap.

I have price quotes from Harrods of 1895 and when I get back home in a few days I will post the price per square yard. BTW, I recall that they offered it in "sheet" and "parquet" form.

Bill Sauder
 
Mr. Sauder, I'm playing EJ at the CA Sci Ctr, and almost met you the other day. Mark (the designer) who lauded your expertise, said you would be by later that day, but I didn't get the chance to meet you, although I did remember your name from previous responses to my posts. If you get a chance, please contact him at the Sci Ctr, and he will know who to contact to get my cell #l. All us "Historical Performers" have many questions, as we're trying to be as accurate as possible. Thanks for all ur help so far.
 
Hey,
I was going to start something on the linoleum too! So isnt that kind of trashy flooring for Titanic? Well me myself think it was weird, but I dont know..........All the Best

Sahand
 
Sahand, I think that linoleum varied in quality quite a lot. My own memories of it are that it was trashy. When laid over slightly uneven floorboards, it soon formed ridges and wore unevenly. I'm talking of cheap stuff that I lived with in the 1940s and 50s.

Made thicker, and laid over a smooth and stable surface, it performs much better and is returning to favour, partly because it's "clean and green".

On ships, there was a good case for linoleum. It was easy to clean, especially when compared with carpet. Carpets were easily spoiled in rough weather by flying food, not all of which came off plates.
 
Bill et. al:

Just thought I would comment on this issue of Linoleum, as you, Ken Marschall, or your brother might be able to comment on this further.

Durning the Titanic Exhibit in Boston, one of the main artifacts that was displayed was a reconstructed section of the Titanic's First Class Dinning rooms inlaid color linoleum tile. This colored tile was of the same pattern used on the Olympic, which can be seen illustrated in several artist renditions of the main dinning room of the Olympic.

For reference refer to the large Plate II in the Shipbuilder reprint around page 89 depending on the edition. Quoting from Page 71 of Shipbuilder "The floor is covered with Linoleum tiles of a Unique pattern".

If I remember correctly (Tarn you can comment on this also) it was an interlocking pattern of red/blue/yellow and green.

Shipbuiler Figure 75, illustrating the Bay window in the First class Dinning Saloon also shows in detail the linoleum pattern which consists of several inlaid interlocking piece's not the standard 8" to 12" square tiles we all think about when we think of modern linoleum

I remember discussing this Linoleum in great detail with George Tulloch and Jack Eaton and since it is known that the Dinning room was carpeted, were this tile might have come from and if it was laid under the carpet which as added at a later date.

Their answer was possibly however more research was needed.

In digging further into this topic of Linoleum I managed to find an illustration in color of the recovered artifact. Please refer to page 28 of "Titanic The Artifact Exhibit by Judith B. Geller. In the upper left hand corner of this page is an illustration of the recovered Linoleum in question.
 
Steven:

As I understand it, the source for the carpeted dining room comes from steward F. Dent Ray and I believe he is mistaken.

Dining rooms are very rarely carpeted because of the obvious problems with spillage and no easy way to clean up and deodorize the mess.

Perhaps Ray was thinking of the reception room, which was carpeted, or the deluxe Restaurant.

Are there any other sources for this story besides Ray's long-after-the-fact interview?

Bill Sauder
 
All,

The Turkish bath floor was rubber linoleum, not tiles.

The link below is from Ken Marschall's 2001 wreck report, which can be found on Parks Stephenson's excellent web site. This link shows the first class Dining Room tile from Titanic:

http://titanic.marconigraph.com/ps03.jpg

I might be wrong, but it is my understanding that Olympic's tiles had a lighter blue, but were otherwise the same.

On the subject of tiles and sizes, does anyone know how big each linoleum tile was in the staircase foyers? I once estimated about 19" and the same for the Smoke Room. Anyone with more definite figures?

Daniel.
 
Hey,
wait I thought the Dining room wasnt carpeted right? Because up there Steven said it was. I think I hear some where that some of it was carpeted and some tiled. Now we are going in another subject! This always happens!

All The Best,
Sahand
 
Mr. Sauder, did you ever have a chance to check your Harrod's catalog for prices around 1910. I'm still getting people saying it was expensive. It would be nice to have a documented source to quote. Thanks.
 
Hello Mike,

Sorry for the late response, I looked the figures up when I got back home and then neglected to post them.

Here is a sampling of floor coverings from Herrod's 1895 Catalogue. All prices are in shillings per square yard and in increasing cost:

1.75: Carpet, cheapest Dutch twill (bottom of line)
1.75: Linoleum, cheapest sheet
2.50: Carpet, cheapest Brussels
3.25: Linoleum, superior sheet
3.95: Carpet, cheapest Wilton and Axminster
4.00: Linoleum, solid parquet (as used on Titanic)
5.00: Bath Mat, Cocoa Fibre
5.25: Carpet, best quality Wilton
6.50: Carpet, best quality Axminster Rug (top of line)

As you can see, linoleum is on the cheap side of floor coverings, the "parquet" style as used on Titanic commanding the highest price because of its relative thickness and the fact that the color goes through the material, rather than applied to the surface.

I don't have a figure for marble flooring of the period, but don't see how it could be cheaper than the cost of the best rugs of the time, given weight, transportation costs, installation costs, and finishing.

Sorry to have missed you at the Science Center early in February. It was nice to be able to finally visit one of the Titanic exhibits as just a tourist. If you or any of the other of the reinactors have any questions, please feel free to contact me off list. Personal letters tend to get quicker replies than questions in public postings since there is so much going on right now.

Bill Sauder
 
Hi Bill. Do you mean I wont get to meet you at the exhibit? (drats!)
Most interested in the floor coverings you mentioned. Does the said catalog happen to show examples? It would be fun to look at different styles of the time period.
Regarding the cost of flooring. I too am surprised, and can see where people would say that it seemed a little on the expensive side for 1912. For example. The cost to put wood flooring in my home nowadays is running around 20.00 a ft. (which is still between 18,000.00 to 32,000.00, and wont happen in my lifetime, unless I win the lottery.
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Thank you again for an interesting post.
 
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