I don't know. It was sent to me by Finnish researcher Silja Vuorikuru when I corresponded with her. She might be an ET member; I'll check.
Very likely one of them was Edith Evans although she was 36 years old at the time. The most likely candidate for the second young woman is 18-year old Martta Hiltunen?Lucas only mentioned two young girls which generally is claimed to have been Miss Evans.
Is that photo in the link you provided copyrighted? If not it would probably be a good thing if it could be added to her bio on ET. Just a thought.
It was Lucas who mentioned that, they may not have known there weren't plugs for those in any case. Lightoller not mentioning that wouldn't be of significance considering the level of truthfulness and omision sorrounding his accounts.As far as I remember Lightoller did not mentioned that he searched with Lucas for a plug. The Collapsible boats did not had plugs by the way.
Yes, I forgot to mention that, specially given the fact that there was actually a boat being readied (namely Collapsible A). I'm under the impression Lucas was always keeping an eye Boat D as the last reliable meaning of survival.Interestingly Lucas first stated he went to the starboard side to see if he can be of use there and then went back to the port side. However even he looks out for a rudder the collapsible boat did not had one. Instead there was a oar to steer the boat.
Mrs. Futrelle is one of a number of 1st class surviving passengers oftenly placed in different lifeboats. I believed she left along with Mrs. Harris aboard Collapsible D.May Futrelle actually left with lifeboat No. 9.
Mrs. Futrelle is one of a number of 1st class surviving passengers oftenly placed in different lifeboats. I believed she left along with Mrs. Harris aboard Collapsible D.
For that we would need to examine the individual accounts that placed her in Collapsible D. Unless I'm mistaken, isn't she the only one who mentioned her being in that boat? Which would be cancelled out by her own contrary accounts putting her in Boat 9. The mutual mention of each other as occupants of Boat 9 by Mrs. Lines and her seems to confirm her presence there.
Mrs. Futrelle gave different versions of her escape. However Mrs. & Miss Lines mentioned that Mrs. Futrelle was in their boat (No. 9).
I have not read all versions of Lily May Futrelle gave of her rescue but overall, I feel that it is by far more likely that it was on Lifeboat #9 rather than Collapsible D. There a a few reasons.Collle D for Mrs. Futrelle. No question about it.
You raised some good points, Arun. But I thought Duquemin was a stowaway on D. Has that information been shared? I always believed that Hoyt was the only one pulled from the water by D.I have not read all versions of Lily May Futrelle gave of her rescue but overall, I feel that it is by far more likely that it was on Lifeboat #9 rather than Collapsible D. There a a few reasons.
- Elizabeth Lines IMO was one of the more reliable witnesses and while she could have made a mistake in the dark, I think it is unlikely. If she was sure that Mrs Futrelle was on #9, it could be true.
- Also, loading of #9 proceeded in a rather more orderly fashion under supervision of Murdoch and McElroy. In other words, nothing extraordinary happened during the loading and lowering of that lifeboat and accordingly, Mrs Futrelle did not mention any unusual event other than some crewmen staring at her in despair.
- The loading of Collapsible D on the other hand, was a lot more eventful. Lightoller and Wilde and formed a semi-circle of sailors around the boat and while there was a pressing crowd of mostly men around, only women and children were allowed through. There were events like Michel Navratil Sr handing over his small two children into the boat and stepping back himself, Edith Evans and another woman (most likely Martta Hiltunen) unable to get through the crowd into the boat before it was lowered, etc.
- The lowering was done in a bit of hurry because of the risk of men rushing the boat. There were only 20 to 22 people on board #D when it was lowered, less than half its capacity.
- Then Woolner and Steffansson jumped into the Collapsible D from A-deck as it was being lowered, Duquemin and Hoyt swam over after it reached the water etc.
Did Lily Futrelle mention any of the above events as having happened in the lifeboat that she was in? AFAIK, no.
Well, during evacuation of a sinking ship like the Titanic, people manage to get into lifeboats using several methods, some of them rather 'unconventional'. Therefore, it is difficult to describe anyone in a lifeboat as a 'stowaway'.But I thought Duquemin was a stowaway on D. Has that information been shared? I always believed that Hoyt was the only one pulled from the water by D.