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Mrs. Futrelle is one of a number of 1st class surviving passengers oftenly placed in different lifeboats. I believed she left along with Mrs. Harris aboard Collapsible D.

Mrs. Futrelle gave different versions of her escape. However Mrs. & Miss Lines mentioned that Mrs. Futrelle was in their boat (No. 9).
Here is one of the interviews by Mrs. Futrelle: "After I left the ship two collapsible lifeboats were launched. In the last one was Mrs. Henry B. Harris, wife of the theatrical manager; Mrs. Thorn and Mrs. Hoyt, that I remember....the ship at that time had sunk to within 15 feet of the first deck... " (The Atlanta Constitution, April 26 1912 )
 
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She herself stated also boat No. 9.
Here is a small part which was shared by Mike Poirier:

"He took me to the to the starboard side. "There was a boat a minute ago," he said. It was just being lowered. It was No. 9, the last to leave. He put me in as they were launching it. "


Also Mrs. Harris in No. D did not mentioned her.
 
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Mike Poirier

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The consensus from her various accounts is that she was in 9. She mentions Paddy McGough and Elisabeth and Mary Lines. She was not in D. She only relayed what she heard about D from Renee Harris

Mrs. Futrelle is one of a number of 1st class surviving passengers oftenly placed in different lifeboats. I believed she left along with Mrs. Harris aboard Collapsible D.
 
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Arun Vajpey

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I realize that there there are some uncertainties with a few passengers and crew regarding the actual lifeboats that they were rescued on but for a fairly prominent First Class passenger like May Futrelle it is unusual, especially when the differences of opinion involves two lifeboats lowered 35 minutes apart and from opposite sides of the ship. Lifeboat #9 was starboard rear while Collapsible D was fitted to the port forward davits of #2.

This makes me wonder if there was a lady with a close resemblance to Mrs Futrelle on Collapsible D whom some mistook for the latter?
 
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For that we would need to examine the individual accounts that placed her in Collapsible D. Unless I'm mistaken, isn't she the only one who mentioned her being in that boat? Which would be cancelled out by her own contrary accounts putting her in Boat 9. The mutual mention of each other as occupants of Boat 9 by Mrs. Lines and her seems to confirm her presence there.
 

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For that we would need to examine the individual accounts that placed her in Collapsible D. Unless I'm mistaken, isn't she the only one who mentioned her being in that boat? Which would be cancelled out by her own contrary accounts putting her in Boat 9. The mutual mention of each other as occupants of Boat 9 by Mrs. Lines and her seems to confirm her presence there.

Can anyone direct me to the source(s) of the statement that Mrs. Lines saw Mrs. Futrelle in Boat 9 and vice versa?
 

Arun Vajpey

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Mrs. Futrelle gave different versions of her escape. However Mrs. & Miss Lines mentioned that Mrs. Futrelle was in their boat (No. 9).

Collle D for Mrs. Futrelle. No question about it.
I have not read all versions of Lily May Futrelle gave of her rescue but overall, I feel that it is by far more likely that it was on Lifeboat #9 rather than Collapsible D. There a a few reasons.

- Elizabeth Lines IMO was one of the more reliable witnesses and while she could have made a mistake in the dark, I think it is unlikely. If she was sure that Mrs Futrelle was on #9, it could be true.
- Also, loading of #9 proceeded in a rather more orderly fashion under supervision of Murdoch and McElroy. In other words, nothing extraordinary happened during the loading and lowering of that lifeboat and accordingly, Mrs Futrelle did not mention any unusual event other than some crewmen staring at her in despair.
- The loading of Collapsible D on the other hand, was a lot more eventful. Lightoller and Wilde and formed a semi-circle of sailors around the boat and while there was a pressing crowd of mostly men around, only women and children were allowed through. There were events like Michel Navratil Sr handing over his small two children into the boat and stepping back himself, Edith Evans and another woman (most likely Martta Hiltunen) unable to get through the crowd into the boat before it was lowered, etc.
- The lowering was done in a bit of hurry because of the risk of men rushing the boat. There were only 20 to 22 people on board #D when it was lowered, less than half its capacity.
- Then Woolner and Steffansson jumped into the Collapsible D from A-deck as it was being lowered, Duquemin and Hoyt swam over after it reached the water etc.

Did Lily Futrelle mention any of the above events as having happened in the lifeboat that she was in? AFAIK, no.
 

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