Lord Mersey

[Paul Lee]

Hi all,
Have any of Lord Mersye's private papers relating to the disaster survived? It doesn't look like any of Senator Smiths have.

Cheers

Paul
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[Michael H. Standart]

I don't know. If they have, I'd love to see them.

 

[Charles B. Weeks Jr.]

Count me in on wanting to see them. In the 70s Colin Simpson saw them, when he wrote his book on the Lusitania. A couple of years ago when Diana Preston was writing her book on Lusitania, she contacted the present Lord Mersey and he didn't know anything about such papers. I have written Liverpool Maritime Museum asking whether they have them or if they know where they are. I'm waiting for their reply.
Regards,
Charlie Weeks

 

[Randy Bryan Bigham]

Viscountess Mersey said that his papers may be mixed in with his son's. I don't recall where it is now but there is an archive somewhere that has Clive Bigham's papers. Perhaps a search should be made under his name. At the least there should be correspondence between father and son in that collection.

Randy

 

[Rob Ottmers]

The son's papers might have a wealth of value in and of themselves, if he kept personal notes of his own involvement with the inquiry.

 

[Charles B. Weeks Jr.]

Thank you gentlemen for the suggestions. I'll search there. Like you I suspect there might be some very interesting information there, or at least their personal views on the business.
Rob, did you get the redone scans I sent of the Interrogatives? They should show the full page.
Regards,
Charlie Weeks

 

[Paul Lee]

Juts heard back from the Liverpool Maritime Museum. They don't have Lord Mersey's papers in their collection. Darn.

Cheers

Paul
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[Charles B. Weeks Jr.]

I got a similar letter from them yesterday. They suggested I try Marine Safety Center in Southampton. Accordingly I've written Them and will post it to day.
Regards,
Charlie

 

[Charles B. Weeks Jr.]

Hello:
I have received mail back from various sources. Therefore I can tell you that the Marine Safety Centre in Southampton doesn't have anything on Titanic. National Maritime Museum in Greenwich, I'm awaiting an answer. Bignor Park in Sussex, the home Lord Mersey bought in 1926 only has a copy of the printed report. Merseyside Maritime Museum in Liverpool has some Titanic material, but not much of Mersey's papers. PRO in Kew has some most of which is on the CD they sell.
That's all the news I have for now. I'll update when I know more.
Regards,
Charlie

 

[Charles B. Weeks Jr.]

A further piece of information. I have just finished " A Picture of Life" by Charles Clive Bigham, Second Viscount Mersey. He served as his father's Secretary during the Titanic Inquiry in London. At any rate he deals with the Titanic Inquiry in two short paragraphs. Only occasionally mentions his father.
Regards,
Charlie Weeks

 

[Martin Owen Cahill]

Colin Simpson describes Lord Mersey as becoming wise to what is being perpetrated against Cpt. Turner during the Lusitania Inquiry and the way Joseph Marichal was treated.
He would describe it as a "damn dirty business".
Have the papers since come to light and if so what does he have to say about the Californian and Sir Rufus Issacs?

 

[Lili-Marlene39-45]

Is there anyone who know much about the fact that for the British Enquiry the dices were loaded ? I read the "Tort, Law and Insurance Journal" that the insurance company "Herrington, Bigham and Englar" that was retained by the cargo insurer in 1912 to say whether the White Star Line and Steamship Co were responsible for the lost of Titanic and whether if both they could have legal proceedings against them or not. That insurance company was owed by the nephew of Lord Mersey, Henry Bigham. Moreover, Lord Mersey himself was General Counsel of the White Star Line at that moment... It was like asking to Hitler to be the commander chief officer of the Israël Police!!! And at the time, everybody found it normal to have Lord Mersey as president of the British Enquiry. It's astonishing! So is someone knows about that fact and could have some reading ideas on that matter ? If someone put hand on archives of Lord Mersey, could that person be kind enough to share its findings with me ? I'm translating all the British Enquiry in French and I would like to edit an e-book with analysis and hints to my readers, along with technical explanations (for instance, in Bride's testimony, I had explained how the TSF used to worked; in Fleet's testimony, I explained from a scientifically documentary of the BBC what actually was the strange fog of which he was taking about, etc.) for I'd like it to be very complete. So if anybody feel he or she could help me out, please don't hesitate! Thanks!

 

[Mark Baber]

Hello, Lili---

I think you're misreading that article a bit. It says that Herrington, Bigham and Englar (which was a law firm) was hired by the insurers to render an opinion, not that it was an insurance company. And its says that Lord Bigham himself was a "former General Counsel to the White Star Company"---something I've never heard before---not its General Counsel in 1912.

I will leave it to others to weigh in on the quality of Lord Bigham's analysis.

 

[Lili-Marlene39-45]

Thank you Mark, for your useful tips. I read this maybe too fast.

 

[Lili-Marlene39-45]

While reading the testimony of Lightoller, I noticed that there was a kind of disagreement or to be more exact, a kind of hostility between Lord Mersey and Scanlan, the counsel of Seamen and Firemen's Union, that seems to be prior to the British Inquiry, and I would like to know more about it. Is someone could help me ? (It is obvious near the questions 14343, 14490, but there's some irony in almost every intervention of Lord Bigham during the cross-examination of Lightoller when he spoke to Scanlan).

 

[nahaa]

oh one of the greatest lords in the empire. lovely im fan of him.

and our great british empire i dont know how it got lost otherwise there is no good thing like that in entire world.