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Noel F. Jones
Member
Senan:
"Jeez, Noel, give it a rest. You have a bee in your bonnet...."
There are no bees in any bonnets here but I do perceive someone apparently in denial of their own history.
"I have no doubt that they stood on the steps and waved their silly placards..."
From the contemporaneous photographs I observed that the placards in question were not the insubstantial ephemera of a passing day that you infer, rather they were substantial panels of some permanence which had been lashed together all round the structure with wire rope or similar. Because of the reluctance of its custodians to take appropriate remedial action, tourists and visitors returning to the mainland from Ireland were writing letters to the papers about it.
It may have been that the British authorities were characteristically reluctant to pursue the matter because of the delicate political situation obtaining at the time. The British press were less reticent.
"It is not a case of the monument being perceived as English. That is so jingoistic as to be ridiculous."
I merely opined that in the shallow revisionist paramilitary psyche the torpedoing of the Lusitania may have been perceived as an "English" affair and that by extension the memorial was some kind of territorial intrusion. Why else would it have been targetted?
Apropos your attempt at analogy: Nelson's column is a monument not a memorial and as such it may be defaced but not desecrated. If the demonstrations, placarding etc. you refer to were inflicted upon the Cenotaph in Whitehall that would be a different matter.
Reverting to Cobh: the statement to be rebutted was to the effect that throughout Ireland graves and memorials were respected even by paramilitary organisations.
And I consider it duly rebutted by the information I provided and the routes to provenance I have indicated. The matter rests with you as you are geographically nearer to the matter than I. If you do not wish to go down these routes so be it but please do not substitute political posturing for inaction in that regard.
As the record will show, I have eschewed political stance beyond that minimum needed to respond to your attempt to peremptorily dismiss the information I was providing. And I see you're still at it, viz.:
"So Noel, I regret you introduced this note into the discussion. You seem to feel the need to prove you are right. ... and I say for the last time that the Lusitania memorial was not "desecrated" for "months and years" by the IRA. So your specific allegation remains untrue, and I wish you had the good grace to withdraw it."
I am quite unable to meet you on that. However, having duly provided the requisite rebutting information, you will find me quite amenable to a mutual agreement to let the matter rest.
Noel
"Jeez, Noel, give it a rest. You have a bee in your bonnet...."
There are no bees in any bonnets here but I do perceive someone apparently in denial of their own history.
"I have no doubt that they stood on the steps and waved their silly placards..."
From the contemporaneous photographs I observed that the placards in question were not the insubstantial ephemera of a passing day that you infer, rather they were substantial panels of some permanence which had been lashed together all round the structure with wire rope or similar. Because of the reluctance of its custodians to take appropriate remedial action, tourists and visitors returning to the mainland from Ireland were writing letters to the papers about it.
It may have been that the British authorities were characteristically reluctant to pursue the matter because of the delicate political situation obtaining at the time. The British press were less reticent.
"It is not a case of the monument being perceived as English. That is so jingoistic as to be ridiculous."
I merely opined that in the shallow revisionist paramilitary psyche the torpedoing of the Lusitania may have been perceived as an "English" affair and that by extension the memorial was some kind of territorial intrusion. Why else would it have been targetted?
Apropos your attempt at analogy: Nelson's column is a monument not a memorial and as such it may be defaced but not desecrated. If the demonstrations, placarding etc. you refer to were inflicted upon the Cenotaph in Whitehall that would be a different matter.
Reverting to Cobh: the statement to be rebutted was to the effect that throughout Ireland graves and memorials were respected even by paramilitary organisations.
And I consider it duly rebutted by the information I provided and the routes to provenance I have indicated. The matter rests with you as you are geographically nearer to the matter than I. If you do not wish to go down these routes so be it but please do not substitute political posturing for inaction in that regard.
As the record will show, I have eschewed political stance beyond that minimum needed to respond to your attempt to peremptorily dismiss the information I was providing. And I see you're still at it, viz.:
"So Noel, I regret you introduced this note into the discussion. You seem to feel the need to prove you are right. ... and I say for the last time that the Lusitania memorial was not "desecrated" for "months and years" by the IRA. So your specific allegation remains untrue, and I wish you had the good grace to withdraw it."
I am quite unable to meet you on that. However, having duly provided the requisite rebutting information, you will find me quite amenable to a mutual agreement to let the matter rest.
Noel
