Lusitania research Treasure Quest

Just 15 short minutes ago I saw a television preview for next Thurday's "Treasure Quest"
(Discovery Ch.). The team (discoverd H.M.S. Victory) is going to mount a somewhat intense expedition to R.M.S. Lusitania in a furthur attempt to determine her secondary damage.
I am certain with permission of Greg Beemis, who I hope to see as a participant of said expedition.

Michael Cundiff
NV, USA
 
Michael,

Thanks for the "heads-up" on this. I will be watching it carefully for historical errors. Since many of the early press reports were full of mistakes, I am hoping that the actual documentary will not be so sensationalized and will 'stick to the facts,' as it were.
 
I'll have to set my DVR to record this. I don't know how well these people could possibly do in light of the condition of the wreck.

>>I am hoping that the actual documentary will not be so sensationalized and will 'stick to the facts,' as it were.<<

That would be a refreshing change but the record to date doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
 
Nothing new to report. Actually Dr. Ballard's exploration of Lusitania was more exciting. First time I have seen Greg Bemis, Bemis mentioned..."I'm getting older and we don't have that much more time" (exploration & salvage). The R.O.V. could barely discern the portside letters L U S I T A N I A. Again they stumbled on some cylindrical tubes...not what they were hoping for (Monet). What I did find interesting was the team's re-creating of a led-tube in which they inserted a thrift store painting. In turn the tube was somewhat compressed by the pressure at Lusitania's depth. And...of course the Irish Navy made their appearance known. The expedition members shared video with the Navy, drawing attention to the detoriation rate of Lusitania, of which will soon make it impossible to research.

I can only surmize...perhaps the GOD's of War are watching?

Michael Cundiff
NV, USA
 
POSTSCRIPT: If you happened to miss the episode, it will repeat tomorrow 28 Feb. 2:00 p.m. EST on the "Discovery Channel".

There was talk among the expedition members, that divers will be sent to the wreck at a later date.

Michael Cundiff
NV, USA
 
Michael,

The documentary itself was remarkably content-free. We saw some very brief snatches of video of the wreck, some interesting CG (featuring a mediocre but passable CG model of the ship), a number of historical errors, and we finally got to see Bemis in person and in action.

There were positives, however. The research on the paintings and lead tubes, on the bacteriological growth, etc., however was very interesting. I also liked the team that was exploring the wreck -- at least what I saw of their group and the way they comported themselves on this expedition.

The upshot is this: we know that conditions at the wreck site are really deteriorating rapidly and that time left for exploring what's left of her is greatly reduced. (Not that we didn't know she was deteriorating before, but now it's been shown to the public at large.) Hopefully what will happen is a loosening of restrictions on diving to the wreck so that Bemis and other respectable teams can go back to the wreck and have a good look at her. Hopefully this will come to pass in short order, although I won't hold my breath, since Government in general is usually as slow as molasses in Central New York during January.

As for the high-explosives and all that, as regards conspiracy theories regarding depth-charging, et. al. -- I'm not even going to touch those with a ten-foot pole.

Hopefully there will be another expedition out there... maybe as early as this summer, I hope. (?) And, since this message board is seen by a lot of people, documentary producers and expedition leaders should be aware that I'm always eager to take a seat on any future expedition to the wreck to serve as a historical consultant.
 
>>The documentary itself was remarkably content-free.<<

For whatever it's worth, I noticed that as well. Quite a bit of promise in the promotions but very little in the way of delivery.

I don't know why anybody thinks there's something especially remarkable about the fact that the ship was carrying some munitions. The British was shipping it out on any bottom they could get it on and not just the Lusitania. (The Germans too when they could get away with it. Dupont wasn't particular so long as they got paid!) The thing is, small arms ammunition and a few hundred empty shell casings don't get you the sort of explosive event that was claimed.
 
Michael,

Yes, it was sad that there was so little content. I'm trying to take a positive view of the whole thing, however, in the hopes that future good will come out of it, such as more expeditions to the wreck, good footage, and further information. And naturally the biological and lead-tube research was interesting, to be sure.

Hopefully the restrictions on diving to the wreck -- especially those regarding not even removing fishing nets! -- will be lifted, as well. It's all a bit absurd, but perhaps it can be changed with some public pressure.

I completely agree with your statements about munitions, by the way; the historical evidence really seems to point away from high-explosives. Unfortunately, the attraction of conspiracy theories and volatile contraband is so profound that I fear the only way that all of the legends about high-explosives being aboard will ever be laid to rest is if divers get into the wreck and find none there.
 
Hey, Kent: The show achieved something I diod not expect. My mind wandered. I found myself tuning out long intervals and reading the newspaper while half-listening.

Regarding the munitions.... was it just me, or in the final moments before the credits, when they showed a computer animation of "the second explosion" did the explosion not seem to be placed WAY too far forward?

To me, that seemed to imply that the munitions angle is going to be milked for all it is worth.

>I fear the only way that all of the legends about high-explosives being aboard will ever be laid to rest is if divers get into the wreck and find none there.

I fear that will never happen. Conclusively proved, or conclusively disproved....with the munitions story concluded the TV specials will end. The collapse of the hull is favorable, since it will prolong the shelf life of these TV shows indefinitely.
 
Hello, Jim. Good to hear from you.

<Regarding the munitions.... was it just me, or in the final moments before the credits, when they showed a computer animation of "the second explosion" did the explosion not seem to be placed WAY too far forward?<

No, it wasn't you. I was nearly shredding the arms of my chair when I saw that. It certainly seemed to be, as you put it, 'milking the munitions angle for all it was worth.'

Well, it was what it was... hopefully better things will come down the road in the near future.
 
Michael Cundiff,
POSTSCRIPT: If you happened to miss the episode, it will repeat tomorrow 28 Feb. 2:00 p.m. EST on the "Discovery Channel".
Thank You!
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Techie show! Not much about the passengers.

7 Creight's of butter for sale! Suspicious in that they weren't kept in a refrigerated compartment but I'm sure somebody will set me strait on that. The wreck looks in pitiful condition. Robert Ballard once said it looked like a sealed tomb and I agree with him. Except it looks like a giant stomped on it a few times. What a jangled mess with fisherman nets serving as cobwebs. If there was a haunted ship it would be the Lusitania by looks alone with those cobwebs/fisherman nets.
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I wish they would do a show about the forgotten passengers of the ship. It was nice seeing.
 
It was interesting seeing the wreck ~ what little footage they showed of it. I personally really don't care for the "techie show" approach, which is apparently the type of thrill that sells now.

The bit about the paintings in sealed tubes was interesting, although I wondered if their "experiment" with placing a painting in a sealed lead tube down there for a few days was really very helpful. I mean, how did they know the manner in which the original paintings were supposedly sealed, the thickness of the lead tube, the type of solder, etc.?

Conclusively finding a depth charge, I thought, was also interesting. But overall, I was disappointed with the show.
 
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