Mary McAllister

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I'm sorry, but feel that I just have to ask this question...

Could there have been more than one Mary McAllister to show up at the hearing, besides the 3-year-old? Also, doesn't anyone really know who this mysterious distraught woman was, who was seeking information about Will Murdoch, Lightoller kindly exhorted out of the courtroom?

I'm asking, b/c I certainly need to know more information about her.

Thank you,
Tammy
 

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Tammy, where did you hear about this 'Mary McAllister'? From what source did you derive this name?

Given the number of fraudulent claims out there about people claiming to be connected with the Titanic, either through family relationships or a mystical/spiritual tie, I'd exercise extreme caution regarding undocumented claims.
 
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Well, I learned about her name from someone claiming to being the reincarnation of her...and claiming to have been deeply in love with Will Murdoch, who showed-up at the hearings. There's that mysterious distraught woman again.

Bob Godfrey told me that, only one going by that name at the TITANIC hearings, was a 3-year-old toddler, b. 27, May 1909, who later in the 1920s, became an actress.

Then this man claiming to be the reincarnation of Will Murdoch, says that she's an Irish woman from his past life, for whom he actually knew sometime during 1909.

Me, I was only acting upon my natural born curiosity to find out if she might be a case of fact or fiction...as well as the truth. That's all.

Shall I take what they're claiming, to being a grain of salt then?

[Moderator's Note: Bob Godfrey's message referred to here appears in this thread. MAB]
 

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Well, that's not QUITE what I told you, Tammy, but no matter. Now that that I know why you wanted that information I'll advise you to take all this with a grain of salt (or better still the whole packet) and move on.

Bob
 
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I think we've had quite enough of allegedly reincarnated persons passing "past life memories" off as documented facts. Personally, I believe in reincarnation but I think these people who are claiming to have lived before as specific historical characters are just plain nuts.

And no matter Bob. You are a credible and reliable friend to many on this forum. You can't be responsible for how someone construes - or misconstrues - what you say.
 

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Thank you for those kind words, Randy. Glad you appreciate that my feet are still firmly on the ground! Tammy, there's nothing wrong with curiosity, so don't let this little hiccup stop you from exercising it. Bear in mind, though, that when you start an inquiry into a touchy subject like this it's best to put all your cards on the table in the first posting, so that we know just what it's leading up to.
 
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Not at all, Bob. I have many faults and have paid for my share of mistakes; it's a humbling experience. But I have also been misunderstood and that is a terrible thing again. I recognized that your's was just such a case. Being a fair-weather friend is not one of my faults.
 
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>>Shall I take what they're claiming, to being a grain of salt then? <<

Given the number of fraudulant claims out there and the fact that re-incarnation is not a phenomenon which lends itself to being proven or disproven by testable evidence, this would be an excellant idea.

You would be better served by looking for primary sources such as public records, interviews with people who would have direct knowladge, and family records such as any diaries and or letters they're willing to make available to the public.
 
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Thank you, Bob, Randy, & Michael...for being on my side in this query. Somehow, I knew something was amiss when this individual claiming to being the reincarnation subject of this thread, when she didn't offer us any other exclaimation as to who she was. She does think, however, this woman might have been that distraught woman who showed-up at the hearings, who C.H. Lightoller had kindly escorted out of the courtroom. But in reality, nobody really knows her name for sure...but, I really wish we did. Then this big mystery would be solved right here 'n' there, wouldn't it?
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Also, the other fellow claiming to being Will Murdoch's reincarnation giving me his song 'n' dance around about how the 1909 number come to be in the above individual's email address along with the subject of this thread's name...could've been any number. Just doesn't jive either. When we've put 2 + 2 together, it all came out being the actress, Mary McAllister's DOB, who was 3-years of age at the time of the Titanic Hearings. Why she was at the hearings, is beyond me.
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But they surmise that many women in New York shared that same name, but only this woman was of Irish descent. Still no other exclaimation from them, nor why she had the hots for Will Murdoch.

Oya vey!!! Anyhoo, I just want to tell you all that I greatly appreciate your kind words on this subject. For it truly means a lot to me.

Oh! BTW, my sister-in-law too, believes in recarnation as well...as does someone else she & I know here in town where we live. So, you see--many folks out here are believers in this phenomenon.

I also, whole heartedly agree with you, Michael, re: your last posted 2nd paragraph of your message. That's I also posted an email to Susanne Stormer, the author of "WMM: A Career At Sea". I'm hoping that she might be able to help me too. So if you know of anyone else whom can help me, then please by all means let me know. OK?

Thank you again...

Hugs,
Tammy
 

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Tammy, there are many people who hold profound beliefs on the doctrine of reincarnation. Some of them are members of this board, which is not surprising as it is a basic tenet of faith for some of the major world religions.

Where Titanic researchers in the past have encountered difficulties is with some of those who purport to have 'past life memories' of specific past events, often connected with the high profile individuals on Titanic I've lost track of how many deck officers and their spouses are running around on the internet - often in duplicate or even triplicate (how many Murdochs and Lightollers can there be?). Their claim to very specific memories, coupled with their absolute ignorance of both the personal and professional lives of these men they claim to be, is sometimes hair-raising in the extreme. Belief is, of course, a personal thing, and if someone wants to believe that they were a specific individual aboard the ship, that is their entitlement - just as I am entitled not to believe them. Where we run into the real problems, however (as long standing members of this board can testify) is when these 'past life memories' are introduced as 'fact,' with no supporting data, thus polluting our sources and muddying what we do know with fantasy. They have also been known to become extremely hostile when their 'memories' have been challenged. Everyone is entitled to put forward their ideas, concepts, and beliefs on this board, with the understanding that - within the boundaries of the forum's rules on interaction - their views may be challenged as rigorously as any others.

Re. the case of the mysterious woman in New York, I do know that a few years back some Murdoch researchers were pursuing a possible angle on her identity. I don't believe that they have yet come to any conclusion on this, as there was a good deal of very involved cross checking of dates and verifying of sources.