Hi Aaron,Survivors such as Charles Joughin said he felt much colder out of the sea than he did when he was in the water.
IMHO much of the discussion on these forums are just those of different opinions.That is your opinion.
Maybe you also could tell me this. The eyewitnesses testified that the Californian was seen 1/2 point off the Titanic’s Port bow. Does it mean that both Titanic’s sidelights should have been seen from the Californian?The navigating lights, including masthead and sidelights, had lamps with two filaments. Each of the two filaments was connected in parallel from the same circuit - so if one filament burned out, the lamp would continue to operate at half power. There was a "navigating light indicator" which rang a bell if a lamp burned out or if the circuit was interrupted. It seems likely to me that, after dark, a watch-stander may have been required to check, on some regular basis, that all navigating lights were lighted and to report if one was at half power.
What prompts this question?
Thank you Samuel!A 1/2 point is 5.6°. By 3° it was practically cut off. The rules that were then in effect stated:
"(d.) The said green and red side lights shall be fitted with inboard screens projecting at least 3 feet forward from the light, so as to prevent these lights from being seen across the bow."
This has carried over into modern day requirements which actually quantify the attenuation across the bow (0°) and beyond 2 points abaft the beam (112.5°) as shown below.
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When Titanic came to a stop she was likely pointing end-on to Californian. That would have been about the time that 3/O Groves said he thought she turned out her deck lights. It was after that when he looked through glasses that he said he noticed a red sidelight. I think you are attaching too much to the calculated average swing rate because I see no mechanism for either ship to swing at a constant rate all night long. In retrospect, I probably should not have put those swing rate numbers down. It's like stating that the average flight time for a certain plane trip from NY to Chicago was 2 1/2 hours, when the plane actually spent a 1/2 hour in a holding pattern before landing.Now if we are to agree with Mr. Rowe and you in regards of the Titanic’s swinging at average 10 degrees per hour doesn’t this mean that from 11:40 p.m. April 14 to some 12:20 a.m. April 15 the Titanic’s green sidelight should have been visible from the Californian?
However, in your book you rely heavily on the swinging by alleging that at the beginning the Titanic did not see the Californian because she was showing her stern light to them and that the lifeboat lost the sight of the Californian because once again she was showing her stern to them.I think you are attaching too much to the calculated average swing rate because I see no mechanism for either ship to swing at a constant rate all night long.
That's right, they all did. That is not in question.All Californian's eyewitnesses testified the Californian was swinging round.
The change in relative bearings of the three rockets seen at 3:20 can only be explained by a retrograde swing. And the evidence that there was a difference in relative bearings between them is supported by Stone's account as well as Gibsons. If you have a better explanation, then let's hear it.There is no single evidence to support an allegation that the Californian was swing erratically or in retrograde.
At 1 knot? Maybe it was because there were more noticeable variable airs and calms up where Californian was located.Maybe Mr. Stone had experienced airs and calms because the Californian was slowly drifting?
Mila and me have discussed this situation and we both believe that the first and the third flash could have been Mr. Boxhall’s green flares.The change in relative bearings of the three rockets seen at 3:20 can only be explained by a retrograde swing. And the evidence that there was a difference in relative bearings between them is supported by Stone's account as well as Gibsons. If you have a better explanation, then let's hear it.
Come on, you wanted him to remember which way they were heading, remember such details a few weeks after the event?Oh, and speaking of swinging directions, this is kind of interesting:
7773. And your head was falling away; which way? - To northward.
7774. To northward and westward? - Northward and eastward.
7775. You were heading E. N. E.? - Yes - to northward and westward.
7776. To the northward it was at any rate, and if you pass to northward you would get to the northward and west? - Yes.
Who said it was 1 knot? An underlying current could have been 1 knot, but if you are to add to this 2-3 knots of the eddy’s rotation speed...At 1 knot? Maybe it was because there were more noticeable variable airs and calms up where Californian was located.