Mixing of the classes

Daniel O.

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No, all classes were prohibited from mixing or visiting areas outside of their class allocation.

(Unless there was an emergency ;))
true but im sure someone going from 1st to 2nd would be frowned uon but not stopped, while someone from 2ndto 1st would be stopped.
 
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Cara, this is on another thread somewhere. I believe the consensus was that on some ships there was limited mixing of the classes.

The writer R A Fletcher in Travelling Palaces warns first class passengers against intruding on lower classes. He calls it,"...a shocking exhibition of bad manners and low inquisitiveness."

There's more on this in John Maxstone-Graham's The Only Way to Cross. The bad manners seem to have been commoner in the earlier years.

The movie is not worth worrying about. Rose and Jack did all sorts of things that passengers were not permitted to do. From the flying scene on the bow to the attempted suicide scene on the poop, reality is ignored for the sake of what is jokingly called a plot.
As far as what is called "the plot" is concerned, would you consider the "Annette Sturges and Gifford Rogers" of the 1953 "Titanic" movie to be more plausible than the "Rose Dewitt-Bukater and Jack Dawson" of the 1997 "Titanic" movie ?
Of course, these are all both purely fictional characters ; again just part of "the plot."
But......
In the 1997 "Titanic" movie we are fairly certain that "Jack Dawson" was traveling in Steerage, or Third Class.
But in the 1953 "Titanic" movie "Gifford Rogers" seems to be a member of the Tennis Team from Purdue University traveling together.
Would it be likely for them to be traveling in First Class ?
They seem to be traveling together as a team, rather than with their familes ?
Also how "Gifford Rogers" was invited to join the party at The Captain's Table ?
Maybe "Julia Sturges" had something to with this arrangement ? "Richard Sturges" doesn't seem to think much of this "country bumpkin". LOL
Maybe nobody else has ever thought about this......but just something that came to my thoughts. LOL
Also just my thought but "Annette and Gifford" seems to me to be a better "social match" than "Rose and Jack". ....(He said rather snobbishly) ...... LOL
Incidentally the 1953 "Titanic" movie was my first exposure to "The Titanic Story."

Another movie "nit pick" and a bit off-topic at that, too. :-(
"Giff" says "I have to hurry to get my blue serge suit pressed."
Would Titanic have had a laundry or services for this ?
At least "Giff" had his own dress suit . LOL
"Jack" had to get some help from Mrs. J.J. Brown in the 1997 movie.
Of course I don't believe Titanic would have had a Tailor Shop for Richard to get his jacket and for .Norman to get his long pants ?
 
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Are you factoring in U.S. immigration laws?

-- David G. Brown
I understand this was a health issue with the U.S. immigration laws in that Third Class passengers could not go into Second Class or First Class areas and Second Class and certainly First Class could not go into Third Class areas ?
 
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Put in simple, non legalistic terms --

There are several little-known aspects to carrying passengers on international voyages. One is quarantine. A vessel could be prevented from entering a port if officials deemed it might be carrying any of various diseases. The incubation period for these diseases would determine how long the ship had to abstain from contact with shore. Needless to say, no shipping company wanted to lose the productivity of its expensive equipment by sitting at anchor. So, medical quarantine protocols were rigidly enforced in Titanic's day.

Something else -- the return passage. If any passenger were deemed unfit to be landed in a foreign company, that person had to be returned to his point of origin at the expense of the shipping company. While quarantine rules are less rigidly enforced, It is still common practice for countries to require an arriving ship to post bond equal to the return passage of each person carried. The bonds don't come free and sometimes prevent companies from making profitable runs on otherwise obvious routes.

Third class was not really for just the poor and unwashed. During the period when the American frontier was being developed a fair number of middle-class families chose steerage for ease of entering their new country. Steerage passengers received health screenings, etc before boarding most immigrant ships. This meant fewer unpaid return voyages for the shipping companies. From the ship steerage passengers went to Ellis Island and were often in America within a few days, free to board a train or other transportation west to the frontier.

First and second class usually traveled with passports and visas. While these made entry into a foreign country a formality, they were not intended for immigrants coming to become permanent citizens. Strict bureaucratic regulations were in place to prevent "class jumping" by anyone who might not be "acceptable" as an immigrant.

-- David G. Brown
 
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This is aĺl hearsay and part of what my brother called "family myths and legends", so be advised.
There was an uncle who had traveled from the USA to the UK and back sometime in 1936 or 1937, most likely returning on RMS Queen Mary. He was traveling to visit relatives in Tunbridge Wells. His parents had emigrated from Tunbridge Wells to Belton, Texas in 1885, but the rest of the family had remained in England.
He was known to be something of a "penny pincher" and traveled Third Class. He had traveled in Third Class and had a Deck Plan showing his cabin on D Deck. He also remarked that on the return passage "Queen Mary rolled over" so this must have been one of those alarming rolls of which Queen Mary was notorious. This is just an incident of a middle class person, rather than an immigrant, traveling in Third Class.Things were probably a bit different on RMS Queen Mary in 1936 or 1937 than they were on RMS Titanic in 1912 ! LOL

I had planned to take a trip to England via RMS Queen Mary in 1965 and had reserved a Second Clas cabin in C Deck.
But I cancelled and decided to go to the New York World's Fair instead. I had the opportunity to visit Queen Mary in port in New York. I was glad I cancelled. That cabin on C Deck didn't look took too promising.

Some years lated we stayed at Hotel Queen Mary Hotel in Long Beach in Long Beach, California. We stated in a former First Class Suiite on M Deck on one occasion and on A Deck on another occasion.We also had a dinner at Sir Winston's and took a guided tour from Engine Room to Bridge. Except for the sailing, you might say "We went First Class."

So that is about my experience on Ocean Liners. LOL

My Navy experiences were on a Transport, Escort Aircraft Carrier, and Seaplane Tender with one way trips via a Destroyer and Destroyer Tender and an overnight stay on a Barracks Ship, and including a year in training on shore duty.
 
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