>>John:
>>Grant, firstly, where is your proof that Mrs. Allison got out of any boat because she did not know where her son Trevor was?<<<<
>>That is stated as the truth by many reputable sources (Books/Historians<<
It does not appear in testimonies. I would hope you learned to be more careful about what you take to be 'truth' when you maligned both Bess Allison and Alice Cleaver, because of what you 'read in books'.
>>>>you seem bent on blaming Alice Cleaver for the death of Bess and her daughter Loraine.<<<<
>>Many people seem bent on clearing her name.<<
What sort of statement is that?! At least I did not accuse her of murder, vehemently so, and from what I have read, her story is pretty consistent, no less so than anyone can expect after such an ordeal, unless of course you only wish to see wrong doing. I know, you could say I am trying to see only right. No, I am after the truth, regardless and I will not make things 'fit' to suit either side of the debate.
>>>>I can not recall in which thread, already accused Bess Allison of being 'hysterical' for which you had no proof<<<<
>>I have no idea what you are referring to but if you could direct me to the thread i will explain myself.<<
This from the thread 'Nurse Alice Cleaver - personal opinions ?'
"...if alice cleaver had told the allisons why did she spend the night running up to people and showing them the portrait and asking if they had seen him. also if alice had told bessie why was bessie last seen holding lorraine, hugging hudson and screaming and whailing looking at the portrait if she knew trevor was safe this would not have happend."
Ok, so maybe you did not use the word hysterical, but "screaming and whailing" are close enough.
>>What proof do you have that Alice Cleaver was honest? I am not saying this in a way like no proof exists. I have read that Alice Cleavers story change at least 12 times post Titanic sinking.<<
Because I have no desire to condemn anyone, no matter who they are, on hear say and lies. I have neither seen, read nor heard anything that tells me Alice was a liar. My thoughts regarding her 'story' have already been expressed.
Maybe I could ask why I should treat you as honest? My answer would be the same as the one regarding Alice Cleaver, I have seen, read nor heard anything to suggest otherwise about you. Maybe you could extend that courtesy to Miss Cleaver?
I am grateful though that you no longer seem to be making Bess out to be, effectively, hysterical that night.
Regards.