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Sophia Gayle

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Thanks to everyone for the input! I'm sorry for bringing up the mummy again - it seems to be a sore point that just won't go away.
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Saw the Snopes link and it clarified things.

From visiting ET I've learned that some documentaries on the History Channel may have incorrect information, but I never realized that this was also true of the Discovery Channel! ::sighs:: And I was interested in that Columbus documentary too. So I guess trying to learn history from cable isn't the best idea, eh?
 
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>>So I guess trying to learn history from cable isn't the best idea, eh?<<

Nope...it isn't. Don't get me wrong, there have been some outstanding documentaries produced and presented by these outfits, but you always need to be on gaurd and check the facts for yourself and preferably from first hand sources wherever possible.
 
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Actually, there are supposed to be 3 sets of remains that are claimed to be columbus's. The DNA testing of the 3 remains was supposed to be matched against the DNA of a known member of his family lineage to see the one that was the match. Haven't heard anything much lately about tho...
 

Dave Gittins

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Since this thread has been revived, does anybody know the name of the documentary in which Captain Smith was said to be affected by emanations from the mummy, which was stored close to his cabin? It was shown in around 1999 or 2000.

I use the term "documentary" very loosely!
 
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Todd C. Riniolo

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Does anyone have any information on William Stead, who may have been the first to publish an article on the 'unlucky mummy' held in the British Museum? I know Stead used to edit 'Borderland', which was a periodical devoted to the paranormal. I have been searching for the first published account of the 'unlucky mummy.' Thanks for the help...
 
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Jessica Cullimore

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Todd,

William Thomas Stead was a journalist and a first class passenger on the Titanic. Incidentally, Stead was on his way to the US to address a Peace Conference. He had written not only a story about a liner sunk by ice, but also told of how passengers aboard a sinking ship were unable to be saved due to a lack of lifeboats. Stead was also said to be a believer in mysticism and spiritualism. I guess nowadays he would be called a "ghost chaser".

In 1886 he wrote a fictional articles for the Pall Mall Gazette in which he describd a ship's loss through collision with another ship; great loss of life was suffered because there were not enough lifeboats.

In 1892 he wrote an article for the Review of Reviews entitled "From The Old World To The New" depicting a fictious journey aboard White Star Line's Majestic. Majestic had to stop mid journey to rescue people from a ship which had sunk after it had collided with an ice field. (NB: The Majestic had once been captained by the same man that led Titanic to her fate...)

During the few years before the Titanic disaster, Stead had been advised to steer well clear of ocean travel. He once even gave a talk about he himself being involved in a shipwreck and calling out for help.

On the second or third evening out Fred Seward recalled Stead speaking at dinner about a cursed mummy. The mummy in question - actually the inner coffin cover for the priestess Amen-Ra - was an exhibit at the British Museum, London.

Seward spoke in a 19 April interview with a New York World journalist about Stead's story. During the aftermath, the story of the cursed mummy was exaggerated and people came to believe that the curse was that of a real mummy aboard Titanic. Allegedly, the real mummy on board Titanic' wealthy owner paid bribes to have the case placed in a lifeboat and then taken aboard Carpathia. Finally it was secretly landed at New York. Its presence in the American's collection caused such devastation that it was returned to England. The case was taken to Canada where on 28 May 1914 it was placed aboard the Empress of India...

Neither administrators nor trustees of the British Museum are empowered to sell or trade items from its collection to private individuals, no matter what their wealth or social status.

The whole tale is said to be one of fabrication caused by the disaster's deep emotional impact. It was only given credibility in the start because it came from Stead.

A mummy case in whose painted eyes there is a look of anguish still exists, still owned by the British Museum. It's number: 22542...

I hope this helps you!
It's taken me ages to type out that story!
Jessica Cullimore, 15, Cornwall, England
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Jessica Cullimore

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By the way, in case you were wondering, The Empress of India sunk....

Hmmmm...
Interesting...

Jessica Cullimore
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Jessica Cullimore

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Actually, I just remembered something else about the mummy. It was rescued from the Empress Of India and the owner then decided to return it to Egypt on a third ship, the Lusitania, which was torpedoed by a German submarine. Presumably it's now at the bottom of the sea somewhere...

Jessica
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Actually it was Empress of Ireland. The mummy's last known act of revenge was to kill Walter Schwieger, who sank Lusitania, thus preventing the mummy ever returning to Egypt.

Those diving on Lusitania are issued with shamrocks, rabbits' feet and St Christopher medals by the Irish government when they leave Cobh.
 

John Aspden

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Hi
I have just started researching my great grandad, Henry Carysforth. He was an antique dealer and woodcarver, born in Boston but at the time living with his family in Blackburn, Lancashire (from the census of 1911) The thing is, it has been a family legend that he put something onto The Titanic for shipping to the U.S. From my research so far he was a bit ... dodgy. This may mean that the story is untrue and it may mean that he shipped items under a different or company name, he doesn't appear on the ET manifest
Out of interest, I was always told it was an Egyptian mummy being shipped - but after reading some ET posts - this is interest only! Henry did donate a mummy to Blackburn Museum, I have seen it.
As a newcomer to historical research, I would appreciate any help - or leads - or anything!

John
 

John Aspden

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Sorry, yes I know the mummy wasn’t on the Titanic - it is in Blackburn museum - perhaps I shouldn’t have mentioned it - I am trying to find out what Henry did send ..
 

George Behe

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Hi, Elizabeth!

The mummy story was just a legend concocted shortly after the sinking. The tale was extant as early as 1914, and in later years Egyptologist Margaret Murray claimed to have fabricated the original story as a joke on a 'woman scientist' of her acquaintance. (The 'woman scientist' obviously repeated the story once or twice later on.) :)

All my best,

George
 
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Katia

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Hi Elizabeth!

Some people say that a mummy of an ancient princess was onboard the Titanic and that's one of the several possibilities to her sink. People believe that this mummy was bad because a man died hours after taken some photographs of it and the onwer has strangely died after buy it.
The mummy was then bought by a museum and some other guy buit it to the museum. SOme people believe that the mummy was being transported to the States by the Titanic.

(If anyone wants to know there's also a story about Old Tommy who was told he died during the construction of the ship. The tail says that two guys heard him while they were looking around the Titanic before she sailed. These two guys never talked about it till the night of the sinking while they where talking to a friend of them. This third man explained that it should be "Old Tommy" who had died and he also said that other people had listen to him. If it is true or not I don't know but some people also thinks that Old Tommy took Titanic and some of her passengers and crew because Titanic took his life!)

and this is all I know!

Hope I helped!
Katia
 

Lou Kerr

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Does anyone think this story has any connection to the crates of Egyptian antiquities belonging to Molly Brown?
 
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vickie williams

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Hiya, i was recently reading an article about an Egyptian mummy that was making its way to America aboard the Titanic, it talked about a curse,i looked into it further and found that there was in fact an ancient Egyptian coffin lid aboard, i was just curious whether anyone had any further information on the subject and if in fact this was actually true and not just a myth?