Michael H. Standart
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Why would Ken need to "loosen up" with anything? He has his own particular style, and it works very well for him as I'm sure yours does with you. That's really all he needs. If the popularity of his work is any indication, then it would seem that the numbers who agree with that would be in the millions.
Michael H. Standart
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>>Alot of his pictures for me are more technical than works of art <<
Actually, they're both. I don't see that he really needs to "be more free" with his brush strokes since what he does is fine for what he wants to achieve. Ken's style is exactly what he wants and needs it to be. Like your style is exactly what you want and need it to be.
Actually, they're both. I don't see that he really needs to "be more free" with his brush strokes since what he does is fine for what he wants to achieve. Ken's style is exactly what he wants and needs it to be. Like your style is exactly what you want and need it to be.
Was just a suggestion. And what are you talking about again? He is great at what he dose I agree. But saying millions love him has nothing to do with his great talent or my suggestion of wanting him to try something different out - but rather the popularity of the 'Titanic'…Millions of people are now interested in the Titanic hence he is popular and liked by millions of people. Him being liked by so many people is not really so much to do with talent or his ‘style’. It suggests nothing. I doubt we (the millions of Titanic buffs) would even know who he was if he had not picked on the Titanic as subject matter. So that point is completely void.
Having said that I’m not doubting his great talent/skill one bit !!! But yeah your right - if he's happy no need to change.
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Having said that I’m not doubting his great talent/skill one bit !!! But yeah your right - if he's happy no need to change.
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Kyrila Scully
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No, he's annoyed about something else.
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Inger Sheil
Member
I don't think Ken Marschall needs to modify his style, and a modification to his technique could be detrimental - the Impressionism of Monet would be innappropriate to the effect he is aiming for in his art. One of the qualities of Marschall's work, and one of many reasons that it is so sought after, is the precision of his detail. Looser brushwork would not convey that same precision.
One of the most interesting facets of Marschall's art is his ability to move beyond what could be 'merely' sublime draftsmanship. As well as capturing with great precision the details of vessels, he also expresses the feel and essence of the soul of the ships and scenes he depicts. Some photo realist works lack emotion - in capturing form, they lose the heart. Marschall, however, succeeds in both delineating the both the outward form and the intangible essence of character.
One of the most interesting facets of Marschall's art is his ability to move beyond what could be 'merely' sublime draftsmanship. As well as capturing with great precision the details of vessels, he also expresses the feel and essence of the soul of the ships and scenes he depicts. Some photo realist works lack emotion - in capturing form, they lose the heart. Marschall, however, succeeds in both delineating the both the outward form and the intangible essence of character.
Michael H. Standart
Member
>>Was just a suggestion. <<
Noted. Perhaps if Ken decides to drop in and say something, you can take it up with him.
>>And what are you talking about again?<<
What do you think I'm talking about? I'm pretty much a streightforward sort of chap who says what he means and means what he says.
>>But saying millions love him...<<
Stop right there. That's not what I said. What I said was "If the popularity of his work is any indication, then it would seem that the numbers who agree with that would be in the millions."
>>...has nothing to do with his great talent...<<
It doesn't? People line up to collect the works of somebody they think has no talant??? Oh yeah...riiiiight....suuuuuuure they do.
>>...or my suggestion of wanting him to try something different out - but rather the popularity of the 'Titanic'…Millions of people are now interested in the Titanic hence he is popular and liked by millions of people. Him being liked by so many people is not really so much to do with talent or his ‘style’. It suggests nothing.<<
Except that the customer base wants the product he has to offer.
>>I doubt we (the millions of Titanic buffs) would even know who he was if he had not picked on the Titanic as subject matter. So that point is completely void.<<
No it isn't. The Titanic community is very much a niche market. An artist who wishes to avoid missing a few meals needs to appeal to a much broader market then a group of historians and buffs who have an interest in a specific ship who's only real claim to fame is bad navigation practice leading to a really bad night.
>>Me thinks your just a bit annoyed that I made some fair points before <<
This is both highly debatable and utterly irrelevant to the matter under discussion here. If I'm "annoyed" at anything, it's the implication in your posts suggesting that Ken should do things your way. He has his way and it works for him and the audience he's aiming at.
You have your way and it works for you. Different strokes for dfferent folks and all that.
Noted. Perhaps if Ken decides to drop in and say something, you can take it up with him.
>>And what are you talking about again?<<
What do you think I'm talking about? I'm pretty much a streightforward sort of chap who says what he means and means what he says.
>>But saying millions love him...<<
Stop right there. That's not what I said. What I said was "If the popularity of his work is any indication, then it would seem that the numbers who agree with that would be in the millions."
>>...has nothing to do with his great talent...<<
It doesn't? People line up to collect the works of somebody they think has no talant??? Oh yeah...riiiiight....suuuuuuure they do.
>>...or my suggestion of wanting him to try something different out - but rather the popularity of the 'Titanic'…Millions of people are now interested in the Titanic hence he is popular and liked by millions of people. Him being liked by so many people is not really so much to do with talent or his ‘style’. It suggests nothing.<<
Except that the customer base wants the product he has to offer.
>>I doubt we (the millions of Titanic buffs) would even know who he was if he had not picked on the Titanic as subject matter. So that point is completely void.<<
No it isn't. The Titanic community is very much a niche market. An artist who wishes to avoid missing a few meals needs to appeal to a much broader market then a group of historians and buffs who have an interest in a specific ship who's only real claim to fame is bad navigation practice leading to a really bad night.
>>Me thinks your just a bit annoyed that I made some fair points before <<
This is both highly debatable and utterly irrelevant to the matter under discussion here. If I'm "annoyed" at anything, it's the implication in your posts suggesting that Ken should do things your way. He has his way and it works for him and the audience he's aiming at.
You have your way and it works for you. Different strokes for dfferent folks and all that.
What is your problem at the moment. I never said he should do things MY WAY. Just thought I'd like to see him loosen up. It is no big deal. You have more time on your hands than me so it seems.
You say *The Titanic community is very much a niche market. An artist who wishes to avoid missing a few meals needs to appeal to a much broader market*
Again I disagree with you. Titanic is such a broad market these days for someone whom is as successful as him. So much so he gets to work on huge films like Titanic, appears in countless documentaries, has major glossy books, calendars, accompany deep sea dives etc !!! So he can make a very good living on just the Titanic alone AND this is ultimately what has brought him to the masses. He was even one of the major advisers on what was the most expensive film ever made - working along side James Cameron - that brings you a lot of fame & meals. So don’t tell me it is a niche market for him. That is bull !!!!!!! Involvement in countless project/books over the years like Titanic illustrated history ( this is but one of many examples ) is what has brought him to peoples attention more than anything.... Has to look else where to find a few meals - yeahh right MATE ! ! ! Anyway good luck to him.
Also not that many people will know who he is as an artist outside the Titanic circle. So again in my opinion the millions of people you talk about are buying the pictures because they have shown some interest in the Titanic. Whether that is going to an exhibition or as a general member of the public or a Titanic buff. I think it is the mainly the Titanic buffs.
Stop endlessly nit picking and quoting stuff I say just because I don’t share your opinion. I never said he did not have talent. Of course he dose, but his subject matter is what has made him more high profile in his chosen profession.
And for the record I stand by what I say in my other posts 100%. I don't like this guy you hold in such high regard and I also think the items T.H.S are selling are ridiculous and over priced.
Now please leave me alone. I say what I think to.
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You say *The Titanic community is very much a niche market. An artist who wishes to avoid missing a few meals needs to appeal to a much broader market*
Again I disagree with you. Titanic is such a broad market these days for someone whom is as successful as him. So much so he gets to work on huge films like Titanic, appears in countless documentaries, has major glossy books, calendars, accompany deep sea dives etc !!! So he can make a very good living on just the Titanic alone AND this is ultimately what has brought him to the masses. He was even one of the major advisers on what was the most expensive film ever made - working along side James Cameron - that brings you a lot of fame & meals. So don’t tell me it is a niche market for him. That is bull !!!!!!! Involvement in countless project/books over the years like Titanic illustrated history ( this is but one of many examples ) is what has brought him to peoples attention more than anything.... Has to look else where to find a few meals - yeahh right MATE ! ! ! Anyway good luck to him.
Also not that many people will know who he is as an artist outside the Titanic circle. So again in my opinion the millions of people you talk about are buying the pictures because they have shown some interest in the Titanic. Whether that is going to an exhibition or as a general member of the public or a Titanic buff. I think it is the mainly the Titanic buffs.
Stop endlessly nit picking and quoting stuff I say just because I don’t share your opinion. I never said he did not have talent. Of course he dose, but his subject matter is what has made him more high profile in his chosen profession.
And for the record I stand by what I say in my other posts 100%. I don't like this guy you hold in such high regard and I also think the items T.H.S are selling are ridiculous and over priced.
Now please leave me alone. I say what I think to.
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Inger Sheil
Member
Actually, what you said was this:
You stated not that you would 'like' to see him loosen up, but rather that there was a 'need' for him to loosen up. There's a vital distinction there between offering a suggestion on personal preference and dictating what you perceive to be a necessity.
Actually, no - it's not. Michael is quite correct that it is a niche market.
Marschall does indeed have an expertise and talent that not only sells his images, but has also earned him a place in documentaries and on expeditions to the wreck. However, this is only one componant of his artistic output, and not his sole source of income.
What a curious suggestion. The popularity of his work is based on the success of subject matter and execution. You point to the demand for his work in the field of Titanic research and products, but this demand is the result of the quality of his work.
Michael is responding very specifically to the points you have raised in your posts - this is not nitpicking at all, but rather engaging you in a debate. He is perfectly entitled to do so, and I think has raised some valid and well-supported counter-points to your posts. If you post your opinion on a public messageboard, you can expect that others will counter with their own opinion. This is what Michael is doing.
Mark Baber
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And for the record I stand by what I say in my other posts 100%
Miles---
Phil Hind terminated that discussion for good reason. Do not try to resurrect it.
Miles---
Phil Hind terminated that discussion for good reason. Do not try to resurrect it.
Just as I respond to him and I think I make some good points also.
For artists in general yes I would say it was a niche market. But not for Ken Marshall. He is successful enough not to have to look elsewhere to find a few meals. He could stick with just the Titanic and be fine.
Why is it a curious suggestion that his subject matter has brought him popularity ? Yes I do think it has a lot to do with his talent. That was not my point. He chose to paint the Titanic many years ago and because of this choice it has brought him a lot of popularity and success. As I pointed out he was a main adviser to James Cameron. If he had not painted the Titanic would this have come about ? So why is it a curious suggestion...
I made a short remark about loosening up. I did not expect it to be so analysed. To be honest it was only commented on in such detail when I did not think much or agree with some people about this glorious George guy...
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For artists in general yes I would say it was a niche market. But not for Ken Marshall. He is successful enough not to have to look elsewhere to find a few meals. He could stick with just the Titanic and be fine.
Why is it a curious suggestion that his subject matter has brought him popularity ? Yes I do think it has a lot to do with his talent. That was not my point. He chose to paint the Titanic many years ago and because of this choice it has brought him a lot of popularity and success. As I pointed out he was a main adviser to James Cameron. If he had not painted the Titanic would this have come about ? So why is it a curious suggestion...
I made a short remark about loosening up. I did not expect it to be so analysed. To be honest it was only commented on in such detail when I did not think much or agree with some people about this glorious George guy...
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Yes your right I did say Ken needs to loosen up. I'm sorry you are correct. I did not mean it to sound like he needs to change his style. It was really just a suggestion of wanting to see him try out something new. Although yup I did say *HE NEEDS TO LOOSEN UP* which dose sound like I think he needs to change. But it was just a quick remark.
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Inger Sheil
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As Mark said, that discussion was terminated. Do not attempt to continue it in another thread.
What you wrote, and what I found 'curious', was this statement:
I find it a very odd thing to state - as you did here - that his popularity is not to do with talent or 'style', and that it 'suggests nothing'. Anyone could pick up a brush and paint the Titanic - mere choice of the ship as subject matter does not make one's work popular. It is Marschall's skillful interpretation of the ship and his extraordinary talent that makes his work so well received.
Your initial post met with a brief response. Subsequently, you elaborated upon your stance, and others have responded to that.
Your views on George Tulloch have no bearing whatsoever on my response to you in this thread, and I am quite certain that they have nothing to do with Michael's posts. That thread was closed - you would be advised to drop the matter.
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