Georges Guay

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Where was or which was that Pilot Station ?

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The picture was taken by Francis Browne and I just needed to know what happened as I writing (what I hope is) a unique book on the Titanic. You can find more great photos here: http://www.titanicphotographs.com

When you think about it, we now accurately know what Pilot George Bowyer did on his brief time on Titanic since his memoirs conveniently don't acknowledge one of only 2 times a ship he was in command of was involved in a near disastrous collision. whether he did this out of embarrassment or respect of the sinking is unknown, but now we know:

1) George Bowyer boards RMS Titanic at Berth 44 and helps usher ship out of dock.

2) passing Berth 38, the Shallow Canal Effect sucks the SS New York into the ships path, but the Tugboats and quick acting by Captain Smith avert calamity.

3) after an hour's delay, the ship departs Southampton and slowly winds her way though the Solent.

4) Having avoiding any further collisions (I wonder if Bowyer was having flashbacks to the Olympic's Collision with the HMS Hawke) Titanic stops at the St Helen Pilot Boarding Area and Bowyer disembarks from her Starboard side into a Rowing Boat.

5) Titanic steams away to Cherbourg while the Rowing Boat moves towards and picked up by the Ketch pilot vessel heading back to Southampton.
 
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That was quite a pilotage mission for Pilot George Bowyer. Titanic was rather a very large size and deep draft vessel. She carried a tremendous sail area. Titanic was very powerfully, so you had to be extremely careful of her propeller wash effect. Interaction was betrayal. Whistle communications with harbor tugs was rather difficult and orders hoped to be understood. Pilot George Bowyer must have felt a lot of pressure to handle that titan, surrounded by officers keeping a close watch on him. However, I think that Capt. Smith was very cooperative and an easy going person. Two qualities needed to assure a calm and serine bridge team work management and endeavor. Nevertheless, a pilot job is very demanding and risky. You need constant concentration and eyes all around the head. But at the end of the day, a judge would say; «If a Pilot can’t do it, who can?» or «A Pastor can’t make a pilotage mishap»
 

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Titanic's fictional twin the ''Titan'' certainly had a Sail Area! I let myself out...
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How the ''Titan'' would have appeared in Morgan Robertson ''Futility'' or ''Wreck Of The Titan'' (1898).
 
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However, I think that Capt. Smith was very cooperative and an easy going person. Two qualities needed to assure a calm and serine bridge team work management and endeavor.
Too easy going perhaps? Here is the exact exchange of words between Smith and Bowyer in the seconds before Hawke struck Olympic:
Captain Smith: “I do not believe he will go under our stern Bowyer.”
Bowyer: “If she is going to strike let me know in time to put our helm hard-aport.”
Smith did not reply immediately, and a few seconds later Bowyer asks: “Is she going to strike us or not, sir?”
Smith: “Yes Bowyer, she is going to strike us in the stern.”
Bowyer calls out: “Hard-aport!” and helmsman QM Albert Haines just manages to get Olympic’s wheel over hard to his right when Hawke struck.

(This comes from trial transcripts.)
 
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Titanic's fictional twin the ''Titan'' certainly had a Sail Area! I let myself out...
How the ''Titan'' would have appeared in [bcolor=rgb(252, 252, 255)]Morgan Robertson[/bcolor] ''Futility'' or ''Wreck Of The Titan'' (1898).

End sails like the aft Spanker or the fore Jib would be very useful in case of an engine breakdown in rough seas. Bringing a vessel abeam of the set of the wind is not something a seaman would wish. Rigging the Spanker would bring the bow to the windward side thus the Jib to the leeward side. To get the bow to a secure sea motion comfort tack degree angle of say 35°, the Spanker was the sail to rig. Fishing boats still carry that sail for the same purpose…
 

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Too easy going perhaps? Here is the exact exchange of words between Smith and Bowyer in the seconds before Hawke struck Olympic:
Captain Smith: “I do not believe he will go under our stern Bowyer.”
Bowyer: “If she is going to strike let me know in time to put our helm hard-aport.”
Smith did not reply immediately, and a few seconds later Bowyer asks: “Is she going to strike us or not, sir?”
Smith: “Yes Bowyer, she is going to strike us in the stern.”
Bowyer calls out: “Hard-aport!” and helmsman QM Albert Haines just manages to get Olympic’s wheel over hard to his right when Hawke struck.

(This comes from trial transcripts.)

Capt. Smith had «Some Nerve» we could say !!! Steaming full blast to a known icefield in the middle of the night needed quite «Some Nerve» as well !!! :eek:

I just cannot imagine how Mate Murdoch felt on his watch knowing what he knew! I think I would’ve simulate some Heart Attack to make sure Capt. Smith would hit the berg himself!!!
 
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Not only had Bower to contend with the wind resistance caused by Titanic's four massive funnels but he also had to deal with the effect of the constantly changing tidal steams, some of which had spring rates of 3.5 knots.

Captain Smith had many years experience of taking ships in and out of Southampton. He would probably have known these waters as well as did Bower. In fact, many Liner Captains held Pilotage Licences for the ports they regularly sailed to and from in the UK. Smith was also an RN reserve and was very familiar with the situation on board the bridge of a British warship. Because of the foregoing, he would have been very relaxed indeed and his demeanor would have very little if anything to do with a careless or cavalier attitude.

That exchange between Bower and Smith tells me a lot about the man Bower and about Smith's knowledge of the supreme attitude of superior confidence that prevailed on the bridges of British warships then and for very many years thereafter.
Perhaps the little pause between Bower's question and Smith's answer was during the time a bearing of the approaching warship was being taken. That is the only way Smith could have been sure there was going to be a collision.

What brings you to believe that Smith charged into a known ice-field in the middle of the night, Georges? Where is the incontrovertible proof that he did so?

Here's a question for you Georges. It is on the subject of sail assisted passage.
Did you know that back in the 80's, a Le Tourneau Self Elevating, 3 leg drill barge sailed across the Atlantic without tugs and did so using her own thrusters assisted by a giant tri-sail set between he fore-leg and her stern legs?
here she is... the Charles Rowan. My Company prepared the ocean passage

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That is some journey. I worked on a couple of jack up barges in the Severn channel before I joined the RN and I wouldn't sail one to Sharpness let alone across the pond.

How long did the crossing take Jim?
 

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Long time ago now, Rob, but I think it was about 45 days. Can you remember the names of the barges? Most of the barges I located, towed or surveyed were served out of Clydebank, Great Yarmouth, Aberdeen, Lerwick and Tavanger. Although I did work for a while in the Morcambe Field in the northen Irish Sea.
 
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Would the photographer have taken several photos during that hour? Perhaps the photo of the S-turns was taken before the pilot left the ship?


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Long time ago now, Rob, but I think it was about 45 days. Can you remember the names of the barges?.

Is back in 92/93. I think our barges were mostly re-named after senior managers wives but not all. It was during the construction of the second severn crossing.

We had:

Lisa A - Jack up barge with a huge crane to lift the bridge supports.

Karlissa A and Karlissa B - 6 legged jack up barges that mixed and delivered concrete.

J Robertson - A big jack up barge with accommodation, workshops and general stuff.

Thames - A little 4 leg jack up that did general work.

There was another one the size of Thames but I can't remember its name.
 

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