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Nathan Ottosen

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Hello all!

Just a few quick questions and comments about the (apparently) mysterious Mrs. Goldenberg: one, how did this confusion about her name first come to light? Did Edwiga Grabowska exist? If so, was she Samuel Goldenberg's wife at the time of the sinking? Or who was his wife at the time? The answer is probably right in front of me, but for some reason I'm not making the proper connection...

Thanks,

Nathan
 

Phillip Gowan

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Hey Nathan,
I'm working on a biography of the Goldenbergs--have been very fortunate to locate descendants of the Mrs. She had previously been married and had two children--her son lived most of his life in France and lived to be 99 years old. I have some of the family photos-really incredible ones that look like Nella and Sam are about to start talking to me. The wife's name on Titanic is "Nella"--will detail the rest in a full article. She and Sam married in 1901. There is a lot of information and misinformation out there on this couple but with the help of family members and legal records I think I'm about ready to put together a fairly good story complete with the photos.

Sam left a sister when he died and she lived out her life in California after her second husband died. She shared in Sam's estate along with Nella's children.

More to come.

Phil
 
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Dear Nathan,

The mystery of Edwiga and Nella Goldenberg have lingered with us for some time. Thanks to the joint efforts of my friend and fellow researcher, Bob Bracken, it can be said that Edwiga Goldenberg was Sam Goldenberg's second wife, and added to the confusion when Sam died in 1936. Obituaries for Sam Goldenberg claimed that Edwiga Grabowska (his second wife) died in 1935 and was on the Titanic with him. Over the years, every researcher believed that Nella Goldenberg was Edwiga and that the first names were simply garbled. Nella had been married before to a man named Wiggens, and Sam Goldenberg was her second husband. When Sam died in 1936, his only surviving relative was his sister (and her family) in California who inherited his estate.

Nella Goldenberg has her own story but out of respect to Phil Gowan who I know has invested much time and money in uncovering the data on her as well, I will refrain from saying anything further until a future time. If you would like additional information on the Goldenbergs, please contact me privately.

I am just surprised that the mystery of Nella and Edwiga Goldenerg lingered for so long. I'm glad that Phil Hind at least changed her biography since many Titanic researchers continued to perpetuate the same incorrect information - including the recent Soldner passenger booklet.

Aside from Nella Goldenberg, the info about Anna Abselson Bolton in second-class is not correct either. All of us were led to believe that Mrs. Michael Bolton, who died in 1963, was Anna Abelson. Well, she wasn't and is not a survivor. More to follow in that regard as well.

Many of the Titanic's surviving passengers and crew have spun a web around their later lives. Some will never be found (like the Chinese sailors) but it makes the pursuit very exciting. Some went to live in different countries which have added to the mystery for years (like Miss Francatelli in Switzerland and Mr. Woolner in Hungary). Fascinating stuff!

Regards,

Mike Findlay
 
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Nathan Ottosen

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Mr. Gowan and Mr. Findlay,

Many thanks for your prompt responses. I will be eagerly awaiting any further developments in the Goldenberg story!

Nathan
 
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Simcha Dovid Fetter

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I am trying to trace a Hillel Goldenberg and family. They may be related to the Goldenbergs on the Titanic. Hillel married Basia Fetter, one of the two daughters of Shmuel and Shifra Fetter in the Ukraine, Russia. They left for America about 1910 - 1920.
 
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Dear Nathan,

Oops! I made a rather small mistake about Nella Goldenberg. I meant to say that Nella Goldenberg's maiden name was Wiggens. That was not the last name of her first husband as I mentioned above.

It's hard keeping tracking of over 2,000 "family members."
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Sorry for the error.

Mike Findlay
 
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Nathan Ottosen

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Mike,

Not a problem at all. Thanks for the clarification!

Nathan
 
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Simcha Dovid Fetter

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Dear Nathan,

I am looking for a relative called Hillel Goldenberg, maybe related to the Goldenbergs on the Titanic. Hillel married one of Shmuel Fetter's daughters, either Basia or Malka in the Ukraine, Russia and went to live in America between 1912 and 1920.

Any info would be appreciated.
 
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Nathan Ottosen

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Simcha,

Unfortunately, what little I know about the Goldenbergs was gleaned either from this website or the several Titanic-related books available--no in-depth family history or lineage. It appears that Mr. Gowan and Mr. Findlay are the ones to contact, but I'm sure that their findings will be made public in due time.

Sorry I am unable to be of more assistance.

Nathan
 
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All,

Just wanted to publicly thank Phil Hind for posting these great passenger photos of late - the Barkworth picture, Roger Bricoux's, and just now the Nella Goldenberg image (from Phil Gowan's incredible collection).

The Goldenberg picture is sweet I think. Cute little girl - now a grown up lady I assume! Thanks to Phil G for sharing it and so many others and again kudos to Philip Hind for posting all these great and often never-before-published images for us to enjoy.

Randy
 

Phillip Gowan

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Thanks Randy,
The "cute little girl" is in her early 60's now. She has been extremely helpful to me and thanks to her I probably have more photos of the Goldenbergs than I do of any other survivors. She also gave me access to Nella's journal dated April 1912--remarkable mainly for Nella's seeming attitude of it being just another of many ocean going experiences. One of the photos she gave me is of Nella with some of her champion French bulldogs and another is of Sam Goldenberg playing with some little chihuahua type dog on the doorstep. The one with the bulldogs has to be about my favorite survivor photo of all--had it framed and put on my computer credenza.

Take care,
Phil
 

Andrew Maheux

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Before the New updated photos of the Goldenbergs on their biographies, were they Nella and Samuel Goldenberg to?

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Andrew Maheux
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Phillip Gowan

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Andrew,
Am not sure if I understand your question--but the previous photos on the biographies were of Sam and Nella but were originally found in newspapers. The two that now appear are family photos. Edwiga Goldenberg was the second wife and I have never seen a photo of her.

Phil