Olive Earnshaw

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As you may have read, I added an info on Miss Earnshaw. Here it is, can anyone help unraveling the mystery? Thanks! Olivier


Miss Earnshaw's mysterious Second Class List

A member of the Association Francaise du Titanic owns a very strange document, which he inherited from Miss Earnshaw. At the time she gave him it, he did not thought that it would be the source of many questions and just accepted it.
Miss Earnshaw saved from the Titanic, or later bought, a "Second Class Passenger List per Royal and US Mail SS Titanic", on which she ticked different names and added notes. These names and notes are:

Bateman, Mr Robert J.: 17 4 E
Butler, Mr Reginald: 97 E
Chapman, Mr Charles: 130
Chapman, Mr John H.: 17
Carbines, Mr William: 18
Fox, Mr Stanley H.: 236 E
Faunthorpe, Mr Harry: 286 E
Gill, Mr John: 155
Giles, Mr Ralph: 297 E
Givard, Mr Hans K.: 305 E
Greenberg, Mr Samuel: 19 E
Hickman, Mr Leonard: 256
Hoffman, Mr and two Children: 15
Kantor, Mr S.: 283 P
Kvillner, Mr John Henrik: 165 E
Leyson, Mr Robert W. N.: 108
Louch, Mr Charles: 121
Mack, Mrs Mary: 52
Milling, Mr Jacob C.: 271 E
Norman, Mr Robert D.: 287 E
Nasser, Mr Nicolas: 43 E
Stokes, Mr Philip J.: 81
Swane, Mr George: 294 E
Weisz, Mr Leopold: 293 E

This water stained document hints at the graves of Titanic victims in Halifax: for instance, "15" is the number given to Mr. Navratil's grave (Hoffman was an assumed name). Do all numbers fit a grave or a body number? Why did she tick names on a Second Class list as she herself was a 1st class passenger? Where did she find this Second Class list? Why is it so water stained? How did she meet so many Second Class passengers? What do the second number and the letter mean? Miss Earnshaw passed away and never gave out the answer to this questions...
 

Bob Godfrey

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Certainly the numbers are those assigned to recovered bodies. Bateman was 174, so the 4 isn't a second number. The letters are more of a puzzle!
 
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Matt Endacott

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hello
Does anyone know where i could see a picture of this list?
Thanks,
Matt
 

Brian Meister

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Just a suggestion gentlemen, but the body
numbers were first published in the New York
World newspaper which is where I first located
them for my research. It is possible that
Mrs Earnshaw first read them there and trans-
cribed them to another sheet as a reference.
The puzzle seems to be why she would be
interested in the whereabouts of several
gentlemen travelling 2nd class.
Perhaps one was kind to her and she was
hoping to repay the kindness. Perhaps she
had a message from one of them to the family?
Intriguing thoughts.

All the Best
 
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Hi all! Thanks for your replies. I added two pictures of the list in ET's exhibition. One is the front page of the list, the second one is the first page of the list where you will see two names ticked. Maybe will this help?
Olivier
 

Brian Meister

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Hello Olivier,

Thanks for posting the pictures for us
to see. It appears to me that she somehow
obtained a passenger list from 2nd class
and read the numbers from the list published
in the New York papers and copied down the
body numbers. The mystery still remains as
to why, I am afraid. Perhaps we have the
makings of the first documentor of Titanic
history here. She might have decided to
begin collecting information to aid others
in their search for loved ones missing.
There could be any number of explanations.
I wonder how we will ever find out for sure.
Again, thanks for your generosity.

Brian M
 
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The list itself - however Miss Earnshaw came to find it (or to be entrusted with it) - has, I suspect, quite meaningful "water-stains". And, 'P' could be *probably*; if this thread should - however briefly - continue.