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Olympic Deck Plan

Discussion in 'Design Technical and Refits' started by Henning Pfeifer, Jan 27, 2003.

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  2. Thanks for posting these Henning -- a cracking job. smile.gif

    Best,

    Mark.
     
  3. Bert Savels

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  4. Chris Mooney

    Chris Mooney Member

    Did anyone attend the latest Aldridge auction a few weeks ago. Apparently Olympic deck plans were for sale and I was interested in what they went for.
    Thanks very much,
    Chris
     
  5. Chris,

    Apparently it went for 10,000 pounds. Seems like a little too high, what kind of deck plan was it!?? They usually go for a few hundred US "only". This must have been one special deck plan.

    Daniel.
     
  6. Neal Ditchett

    Neal Ditchett Member

    Hi Chris / Daniel

    This may answer your questions.
    (apologies for the capital letters)

    LOT 245

    R.M.S. TITANIC: COL. J.J. ASTOR - JAN 1911 CORRECTED MARCH 1911 WHITE STAR LINE R.M.S. OLYMPIC PLAN OF 1st CLASS ACCOMMODATION, PENCIL NOTATIONS RECORD-HOLDING SUITES C75-77 800.00 U.S DOLLARS. VALET ROBINS E52-1 MAID C3-107 AND C99 175.00 U.S DOLLARS CORRECTED TO 180 U.S DOLLARS. BELIEVED TO BE THE HAND OF W. DOBBYN PERSONAL SECRETARY TO JOHN JACOB ASTOR 1907-1912.

    SHOWING THE CABINS WHERE THE ASTORS AND THEIR STAFF WERE ACCOMMODATED. A SECOND HAND NOTES THE SAILING DATE, JAN 27 CORRECTED 24th/12 NY TO PARIS FEB 3rd. THIS NOTATION IS BELIEVED TO BE THE HAND OF JOHN JACOB ASTOR. ALMOST CERTAINLY THE ASTORS HONEYMOON TRIP THE OUTBOUND LEG TO EUROPE OF WHICH THE TITANIC WAS THE INBOUND LEG (AFTER CUTTING SHORT THEIR TRIP BECAUSE OF MRS ASTORS PREGNANCY). NEW YORK TIMES ARTICLE 24th JAN 1912 CONFIRMS MR & MRS ASTOR LEFT FOR ENGLAND FOR THEIR FIRST TRIP ABROAD TOGETHER AFTER THEIR MARRIAGE. THIS ACCOMMODATION PLAN IS POSSIBLY THE RAREST TITANIC RELATED ITEM TO COME TO THE MARKET, IN RECENT YEARS CONFIRMS TITANIC’S WEALTHIEST PASSENGER SAILED ON HER SISTER OLYMPIC — THE ARTEFACT IS IN A FRAGILE CONDITION DUE TO ITS AGE AND ORIGINAL PAPER CONSTRUCTION. PROVENANCE XW DOBBYN ARCHIVE (THE DISCOVERY OF THIS ARTEFACT IS MADE ALL THE MORE INCREDIBLE BY ITS HISTORY. THE DESCENDANTS OF W. DOBBYN MOVED HOUSE AND THIS AND OTHER RELATED ITEMS WERE LEFT BEHIND. THE NEW OWNER OF THE PROPERTY INSTRUCTED A CLEARER TO REMOVE ALL THE OLD PAPERWORK AND RUBBISH FROM THE CELLAR AND TAKE IT TO A RUBBISH DUMP. THE GARBAGE MAN WAS INTERCEPTED ON ROUTE AND THE VARIOUS ITEMS OF PAPER WERE PURCHASED BY A COLLECTOR. 2 YEARS LATER THEY WERE SOLD IN AN AMERICAN AUCTION HOUSE AND PURCHASED BY A U.K. COLLECTOR WHO ASKED HENRY ALDRIDGE TO RESEARCH THEM AND ITS IMPORTANT DISCOVERY WAS MADE.

    Neal
     
  7. Chris Mooney

    Chris Mooney Member

    Hi! Thanks for the information guys it explains everything.
    Chris
     
  8. Neal,

    WOW .... now that IS one special deck plan!

    Daniel.
     
  9. strange rooms numbers for 1 [?] maid.
    MAID C3-107 AND C99 ?
     
  10. Hanco Bol

    Hanco Bol Member

    Recently I bough a first class deckplan for the R.M.S. Olympic published in 1925. On deck E there are first class cabins shown as well.

    Before I bought this deckplan I already had a 1914 deckplan mentioning the same cabins on E Deck as second class.

    To me it is not clear when these changes occur and why. Perhaps somebody mention it already in one of the posts, but I could not find it yet. Could one of you please give me some more insight in this matter? Thank you in advance.

    1914 second class deckplan
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    1925 first class deckplan
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  11. Hanco,

    In the hope that I am using the same numbering as you have for 1914 most of the rooms on E-deck forward of and including E-83/84 could be either 1st or 2nd Class.

    Initially rooms E-1 to E-40 were 1st Class. 1912 and 1913 1st Class Fare Rate booklets have rooms as far aft as E-84 included in 1st Class. On your plans it seems all of the rooms E-1 to E-84 are 2nd Class. If that is so then only the 4 large inside rooms - Inboard of E-1 would have remained as 1st Class. It may be that many of the rooms feature in both 1st and 2nd Class deck plans.

    Hopefully someone [Daniel, Mark are you there?] with a better understanding of post 1912 alterations to the Olympic can assist.

    Lester
     
  12. Hanco

    E Deck staterooms were considered First Class - alternate - Second Class and were therefore used for whichever class had the higher demand for a specific voyage. As either class had the potential to use these staterooms, they appeared on plans of both First and Second Class accommodations.

    A more detailed description of this section and plans can be found in our book - Vol. 2, pp.395-397.

    Regars,

    Daniel.
     
  13. Hanco Bol

    Hanco Bol Member

    Dear Lester & Daniel,

    Thank you for your post. This explains a lot. The four large inside rooms indeed still remains the same.

    Compliments for the professional editions you put on the market as well, Daniel. These are really great publications with a hugh number of information. Thanks.

    Regards,

    Hanco
     
  14. Haowei Shi

    Haowei Shi Member

    Where can you find a deck plan of the Olympic watertight bulkheads?




    Haowei

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  15. Arlind Molla

    Arlind Molla Member

    Hello everyone, does anybody knows where can I find the RMS Olympic's deck plans...? Thanks!
     
  16. Harland Duzen

    Harland Duzen Member

    If your looking for her original deck plans (as she would have appeared in 1911), you can find a copy in the Haynes Manual for RMS Titanic.

    The book incorrectly states they are Titanic's but it shows the enclosed B-deck promenade spanning the entire deck perimeter and the A-deck promenade being fully open as it was on Olympic's original deck plan.

    I don't know if the manual has ever been updated with the actual deck plans, but as far as I know they still show Olympic.

    Hope this helps.
     
  17. Aelvir

    Aelvir Member

    Perhaps it could be early plans of Titanic before the Forward enclosure of A-deck was considered?
     
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