Tarn Stephanos
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Olympic/Hawke Collision
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Mark Baber
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Steve Smith
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Only 49 of her crew of 500 survived.
There's a picture and quite a bit of information at -
http://www.geocities.com/abbertonroh/sawkins.htm
I believe Clive Custler's outfit tried to find her, but I can't remember if they succeeded...
Steve
There's a picture and quite a bit of information at -
http://www.geocities.com/abbertonroh/sawkins.htm
I believe Clive Custler's outfit tried to find her, but I can't remember if they succeeded...
Steve
Chris Nicholson
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I heared that when the olympic rammed the hawke 2 of the wt compartments flooded. Did any of the passenger arreas expirience flooding. Say like the aft G deck cabins?
Brandon Whited
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I believe some of the crew quarters flooded, and the damage did reach some of the passenger compartments, including that of one of the band members who would later serve and die on board Titanic. As to whether his room actually flooded or not, I do not know, but his and some other cabins recieved damage.
Cheers,
-B.W.
Cheers,
-B.W.
Mark Chirnside
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Judging from damage reports that I saw in the enquiry report and testimony, the damage was not sufficient to flood the after passenger quarters.
Following the collision Olympic's draught went down to 35 feet 6 inches aft, which is hardly high considering the amount of water she took on; as the water level inside her hull in the damaged watertight compartments would be lower still than the ship's draught, it seems unlikely to me that significant water reached G-deck, although there was some water damage to electric insulation.
Best regards,
Mark.
Following the collision Olympic's draught went down to 35 feet 6 inches aft, which is hardly high considering the amount of water she took on; as the water level inside her hull in the damaged watertight compartments would be lower still than the ship's draught, it seems unlikely to me that significant water reached G-deck, although there was some water damage to electric insulation.
Best regards,
Mark.
About a quarter of the way through Vol 3 of the Churchill biography (only about six volumes at 900 pages each to go). Anyway it mentions a cruiser called Hawke torpedoed in the North sea on 15 October 1914 with the loss of 500 lives. Was this the same vessel?
Mark Chirnside
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Hi Phil!
Anyway it mentions a cruiser called Hawke torpedoed in the North sea on 15 October 1914 with the loss of 500 lives. Was this the same vessel?
Someone else who's read Churchill! In my case, the six volume history of World War II.
I've got the Admiralty report around here somewhere of the same Hawke sinking in 1914. It's either under my new carpet or in the new wardrobe. The death toll was high, from what I remember she listed badly and then went under.
Best regards,
Mark.
Anyway it mentions a cruiser called Hawke torpedoed in the North sea on 15 October 1914 with the loss of 500 lives. Was this the same vessel?
Someone else who's read Churchill! In my case, the six volume history of World War II.
I've got the Admiralty report around here somewhere of the same Hawke sinking in 1914. It's either under my new carpet or in the new wardrobe. The death toll was high, from what I remember she listed badly and then went under.
Best regards,
Mark.
Michael H. Standart
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Yep, it's the same Hawke. I did a little net search and found this article at http://www.guardiancentury.co.uk/1910-1919/Story/0,6051,126442,00.html
The HMS Hawke, interestingly enough, was torpedoed and sunk by the U-9, which is the same U-Boat which did in the Aboukir, Cressy and Hogue. For an account of the sinking, go to http://www.warships.net/royalnavy/losses/hawke-sinking.htm
The HMS Hawke, interestingly enough, was torpedoed and sunk by the U-9, which is the same U-Boat which did in the Aboukir, Cressy and Hogue. For an account of the sinking, go to http://www.warships.net/royalnavy/losses/hawke-sinking.htm
This site has a great description of the attack and the lives lost
David Smith
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Hi David,
Your postcards most likely have some value attached to them, but it really depends on the condition of them and if they are rare or not.
Once those are established, then an approximate value can be provided.
Your postcards most likely have some value attached to them, but it really depends on the condition of them and if they are rare or not.
Once those are established, then an approximate value can be provided.
Two Period news items-
A new online posting has a period journal called Marine Engineer.
Vol 34 Aug 1911-Jul 1912 carries some interesting news.
pg 76-77- Reports the collision and then mentions a legal point about the crew wages. The contract calls for pay to end if the ship is wrecked but to otherwise be a minimum of one month per voyage. Well as the ship couldn’t continue because of the accident the Company offered pay until work wrapped up after 3 days but... this wasn’t a total wreck incident. The Unions of course weren’t satisfied and so co-operatively with the Company they decided to give the Courts the work of figuring out this gap in the contract. The question continues on pg 106-107. Collision coverage continued on pages 188-189 and 251-252.
pg 289 -Reports the recovery of the Hawke’s stem and observes that the location will be of interest to analyzing the accident. But what caught my eye was the editor’s last sentence: “If only the divers could discover also that little book, which so unfortunately fell into the sea when the shock of the collision was felt by the officer of the Hawke, that might help to elucidate matters too.”
What??? has anybody else heard of this speculation?
Bill
A new online posting has a period journal called Marine Engineer.
Vol 34 Aug 1911-Jul 1912 carries some interesting news.
pg 76-77- Reports the collision and then mentions a legal point about the crew wages. The contract calls for pay to end if the ship is wrecked but to otherwise be a minimum of one month per voyage. Well as the ship couldn’t continue because of the accident the Company offered pay until work wrapped up after 3 days but... this wasn’t a total wreck incident. The Unions of course weren’t satisfied and so co-operatively with the Company they decided to give the Courts the work of figuring out this gap in the contract. The question continues on pg 106-107. Collision coverage continued on pages 188-189 and 251-252.
pg 289 -Reports the recovery of the Hawke’s stem and observes that the location will be of interest to analyzing the accident. But what caught my eye was the editor’s last sentence: “If only the divers could discover also that little book, which so unfortunately fell into the sea when the shock of the collision was felt by the officer of the Hawke, that might help to elucidate matters too.”
What??? has anybody else heard of this speculation?
Bill
Mark Chirnside
Member
Hi Bill.
The reporter is most probably referring to Lieutenant Aylen's notebook. The force of the collision with Olympic knocked his notebook overboard. As a result, the 'fix' he had taken prior to the collision was lost and he was unable to provide that data. It is interesting to note that his compass was 'spinning right round' prior to the collision, owing to Olympic's close proximity.
Best wishes,
Mark.
The reporter is most probably referring to Lieutenant Aylen's notebook. The force of the collision with Olympic knocked his notebook overboard. As a result, the 'fix' he had taken prior to the collision was lost and he was unable to provide that data. It is interesting to note that his compass was 'spinning right round' prior to the collision, owing to Olympic's close proximity.
Best wishes,
Mark.
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