OLYMPIC & TITANIC The Truth Behind The Conspiracy


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Anyone with an interest in Titanic tech can't go wrong getting a copy of this work. Even if you don't care one way or another about conspiracies, there's a wealth of information on the similarities and the differences between the ships that no techie should be without. The photos...many of which appear to be quite rare...by themselves make this book a very good buy!
 
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I couldn't agree more... This book is full of information that I wish I would have had access to when my interest in the Titanic & Olympic began 30 years ago. This book along, with David Brown's "Last log of the Titanic" are the most compelling Titanic reads in the last several years.
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Thank you for the compliments Michael Condon and Michael Standart. Both Bruce and I appreciate the feedback.
Regarding the auction of the signed copy of the book on Ebay — sold for $US96.00
 

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"Looks like the work is being well recieved then."

Every where but here Michael. (Steve shaking his head in bewilderment)
All the emails and mail I'm receiving is incredible - but nothing here at all. Is it the theory, is it the material in the book or is it that the authors are on the nose.
I have no idea.
 
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You may not hear a lot about it on this forum because most of the Titanic techies don't seem to hang out here. Most of the members here tend to take a deep interest in passenger/crew information. Why that is, I don't know, but there you are. Even if people don't respond on the forum, I think you can take the favourable e-mails as a good sign. Further, even if people don't always respond here, you can bet they're taking notice.
 
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Well, Steve (& Bruce):

I got my copy of your book from the THS, and I'm about half way through it. GREAT BOOK! Well researched - and, an extra goodie for some of us - pictures of the Titanic I've never seen before!

Well worth the money I spent.
 

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As you know Steve there will be a full review of the book here soon. Perhaps that will spark more discussion.
 
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The only comments that have come my way that might conceivably be considered a negative is that several people have mentioned to me that they don't need a book to tell them that Gardiner's theories are not worth the paper they are printed on.

That is why in my review I made it a point to highlight the amount of photographic documentary material most people probably have not seen before. As Bill, also pointed out, new pictures of Titanic are something few and far between, and your book is very exciting for that alone.

This is so much more than a conspiracy busting book. If you are into the technical aspects of the Olympic class ships, this book is a gold mine.

all the best, Michael (TheManInBlack) T
 
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Ditto to what Mike said about - a gold mine.

I finished mine today.

And make sure to check out the definitions of nautical terms at the end ofthis book - especially "rivetcounter"!
 
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I'm not so much 'into' the technical aspects of the Olympic class ships but an interested lay reader. I'm also in the category Michael Tennaro identified above, not needing 'a book to tell (me) that Gardiner's theories are not worth the paper they are printed on'. However, I've certainly had my interest whetted by Michael's review, and now Monica Hall's.
 
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Fiona, all I can say is get the book. You won't regret it. As to Gardiner's theories not being worth the paper they're printed on, I'm reminded of what a composer named Bruckner said about a harsh critical review of one of his symphonies. He wrote back to the critic; "I have your review in front of me. It will soon be behind me." (It helps to know he was referring to a trip to the outhouse!)
 

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I received my copy from Amazon yesterday. Apart from skimming through and checking out the photographs (worth the price alone!), I have read the first three chapters.

An excellent work, but...don't take this the wrong way, but it could have used more work in the proof-reading department. Two examples so far: the captions which appear under the photographs on page 12 would have us believe that Titanic underwent her sea trials almost two months before Olympic. (i.e.read 1912 for 1911!).

And some confusing text a couple of pages later informs us that Wilde replaced Murdoch as First Officer at Southampton. The same paragraph then states that Murdoch was in charge of filling and lowering six lifeboats. The only place that Wilde replaced Murdoch was on terra firma (lucky man), and the first sentence was obviously transposed.

These are only small quibbles, of course, but if a second edition is ever published there is room for tidying up! On the whole, though, I have seen enough already to say that this is a lovely book and well worth adding to any Titanic library. Not merely because it debunks a theory we virtually all know is rubbish, but also for the reasons given by earlier posters to this thread.
 

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Matthew,
These mistakes will be fixed up soon.

Mike,
hope you enjoy the book. I just sent out several copies today for people whom bought it for christmas presents also.

There is also one or two other little typo's also in the book. They to will be fixed up soon also.

Steve
 

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There's nothing wrong with the statement on page 28. Wilde indeed replaced Murdoch as Chief Officer at Southampton. It was David Blair who stayed safely on terra firma. Some evidence suggests that some of the crew were a bit vague on the officers' ranks, as Steve and Bruce suggest.

I've not read the book in detail, but it seems to me that any minor errors are insignificant alongside its virtues. There are odd things like missing apostrophes and in places the dreaded spelling checker has let things through. For instance, Titanic goes on trails instead of trials. I know from experience how easily these things slip in. A future edition should be better, so lets hope one is needed.

In the meantime, get out and buy!
 

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URGGHHII!!
Sound of one moron trying to remove foot from mouth! I know Wilde replaced Murdoch as First Officer. I was getting my Wildes and by Blairs muddled up - figured it out about two days later! Either a case of not enough coffee, or too much coffee!

My humblest apologies! I didn't mean to offend the authors of what is (aside from the odd spelling, grammatical or caption blooper) a mighty fine volume. I would recommend it to anyone.

The way in which the numerous differences between Titanic and Olympic are highlighted through a whole series of virtually unique photographs is most impressive and should kill any lingering doubts about which ship sank, once and for all. A lovely book, and well worth adding to any Titanic library.

I have Mark Chirnside's two books on order from Amazon. I will try and be half awake before I make any remarks about them!
 

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Happens to us all, Matthew. I recently managed to have starboard on the left side of the ship. Dumb!

Try Coke and pizza. It works for some!
 

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I took no offence at your comments Matthew. When a book is published — it’s open for critical review. Bruce and I have received many (types of complementary & critical) reviews of the book and appreciate any type of feedback.
What we find strange, the conspiracy theory appears to be a subject that the general reader cannot get enough of. I have been asked to do a follow-up to the book — but as Bruce and I have decided, we have taken it (the conspiracy) as far as we choose to take it.
Some reviewers have stated that the book did not need the conspiracy angle — while others have stated the conspiracy was the highlight. Bruce has an extra ordinary expertise when it comes to the actual ship, while my first love is her photographic history - and that’s where the next work will be.
 

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