Photograph of Titanic's officers


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I've seen in several books and online of a photograph purported to be of the Titanic's officers. Here is a link to a copy of said photo. http://www.geocities.com/spiritwild1/officer.jpg

My problem is that some of the officers simply don't look like the Titanic's men. Smith, Murdoch and Pursor McElroy are recognizable, but I question the rest. For example, the officer standing farthest right is ID'd as 5th officer Lowe in books. Yet, he simply does not look like the Lowe in the photo (standing, farthest to left) taken of the surviving officers afterwards. http://www.titanic-whitestarships.com/survoff.gif
Compare the others. Standing in the questionable photo, from left to right, are (supposedly) Pursor McElroy, Lightoller, Pitman, Boxhall, and Lowe. COmpare to the real photo taken of the survivors (Standing: Lowe, Lightoller, Boxhall, seated: Pitman) I don't think they are the same, and I think the other photo was taken at some other time. But, I could be wrong. Any thoughts?
 

Inger Sheil

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Hallo Brian -

This is one of several photographs of the Olympic's officers circulating that is purported to show the Titanic's officers. I wrote an article a few years back for the Commutator on the real identities of these men. As you note, the resemblence is slight, and allocation names seems often based on vague physical resemblance (e.g., Hume has a moustache, and so is often identified as Pitman).

Standing, back row, in the first photo you link to are left to right:

McElroy, Henry Osbourne Cater (Third Officer), Robert Hume (Second Officer), David William Alexander (Fourth Officer), Harold Holehouse (Sixth Officer)

Front row, seated left to right: Alphonse Martin Tulloch (Fifth Officer), Joseph Evans (Chief Officer), EJ Smith (Master), William McMaster Murdoch (First Officer).

This photo was taken on the maiden voyage before Wilde took over from Evans as Chief Officer. Other photos on later voyages - often in summer whites - will show Wilde on board, and consistently misidentify other officers (e.g. Holehouse as Lowe, Tulloch as Moody).
 

Steve Krienke

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Hey all,

So this photo isnt of the Titanics officers? They look right to me....help me out, im confused

steve krienke
 

Inger Sheil

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Hallo Steve -

The officers in the first link Brian posted ( http://www.geocities.com/spiritwild1/officer.jpg ) were serving on board the Olympic at the time. Only McElroy, Smith and Murdoch, who are in the photo, went on to serve aboard the Titanic. The rest are as I identified them in my post.

The officers in the second link ( http://www.titanic-whitestarships.com/survoff.gif ) are the Titanic's surviving deck officers. They are (standing, left - to - right) Harold Lowe, Charles Lightoller and Joseph Boxhall. Seated in front is Herbert Pitman.

Hope this clears it up for you.
 

Steve Krienke

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Inger,

Thank you! I understand now!! I gotta go do english that is do, i still got alot left and its due today!!

Anyone know a good english teacher
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steve krienke
 

Scott Newman

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The key to a good english paper is how well the student writes. The key to a great english paper is how well the student proof-reads! I would know, I never proof-read anything I write...
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Bob Godfrey

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No such picture has ever been published. Something like it might exist, but if so it has not come to light.
 

Inger Sheil

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Hallo Susan - that's another one in the mis-i.d'd "Titanic" officers, actually Olympic crew.

Top row back is Murdoch, McElroy, Lancaster, Hume
Front: Smith and O'Loughlin
 

Frank McElroy

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Inger,

Iv'e finished Hugh's web site, BIG thanks for all your help, All these photos are on the site,
with all the right names (Thanks to you).

Still looking for more photos.

take care

Frankie M
 

Inger Sheil

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Great to hear that those photos have gone up, Frank - I think you're doing the Titanic world a service by posting them. I also recommend that anyone who has not already done so should check out Frank's site - it's one of the best, most informative personal pages dealing with a crewman or passenger on the web.
 
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Thank you for the glad tidings, Frank. It's certainly good news and a good reason to revisit your site. You've got a grand collection of photos there now for sure.
 

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Your site is terrific, Frank! As Inger and Fiona have pointed out, you have a lot of great information and wonderful photos on there. I've only skimmed through it, but I added it to my favourites so I can return to it later.
 

Frank McElroy

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Sorry in the delay in answering, but life took over for a few days, due to Christmas and a visit from my 3 Children and 9 Grandchildren (that is not awesome, that was madness).

Anyway down to business, to send my replies.

Inger,

It had to be done, thanks to people like yourself and other members on our forum, who know what they are talking about, and can spot misidentified Officer or crew members, from all of us a big Thank you. As for Hugh’s site being the best, most informative personal pages dealing with a crewman on the web. This was something that I and most of my family kept quite about for a long time, it was only because of my cousin that I eventually got involved, we was just fed up with him being called - Herbert McElroy, Walter McElroy, William McElroy, Fitzhugh McElroy, ect … it was confusing us a great deal, so he decided to find out all he could and set the record straight, and I got involved about a year later, sadly he never saw the finished product, of Hughs life being described by people like yourself as “one of the best, most informative personal pages”￾ this I thank you.
As I commented to Phil “by digging and asking with an open mind, one gets to learn and one is always a grateful student to people like yourself.

Fiona,

You are a person I have but the greatest respect for; I followed all your mailings via both John and Jackie, and admired your attitude for finding the facts (true facts) they must come from a minimum of 3 sources, after all there are no firsthand quotes anymore, they are second, third and so on. As for the grand collection of photos I am always looking for any items of information or especially photos of Hugh with or without family, I never stop looking, because if I did for a second, knowing my luck I would miss a picture of a lifetime.

Jason

Thanks for your comments, praise indeed. And thanks for adding it to your favourites.

Ernie

I did see the photograph of Titanic's Officers and Hugh was wearing his medal, thank for your praise about the site, that is praise indeed, my aim is to let the world into his life and for them to see the real man, he was the most gentle yet strong, caring yet disciplined, trained to obedience and order as people with his background usually are, he would bend over backwards to help anyone, yet to try to double cross him I strongly believe one would have their hand full.

Ernie I have found another photo of those medal’s of Captain Smith’s and have included them, talk to you later my friend.

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Shea Sweeney

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Recently I was looking through some old posts on this forum and was utterly amazed to find out through another thread started by a Bree Sage that a photo of the Titanic's officers in fact turned out to be one of the Olympic's officers. This was a great shock to me as was the fact that the highly reproduced photo of Officer "Lightoller" was in fact the third officer of the Olympic.

So I ask, was a group photo of the Titanic's officers taken and if so where can I view it or get my hands on it.

Thanks to anyone who has an insight on this.

[Moderator's Notes: 1. Edited post to remove photo, due to copyright issues. 2. This post, originally posted as a separate thread, has been moved to the pre-existing one, discussing the same photo. JDT]
 

Inger Sheil

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None of all the officers that has been made public, Shea - if such a photo was taken it is either no longer extant or exists in a private collection.

There were a couple taken in a London studio of the four suviving deck officers.
 

Dave Gittins

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Search Google Images for 'Titanic officers' and you'll find two photos of the four survivors, one of them autographed.

These must be in a book somewhere, but I can't find them.

Don't fall for the photo of numerous officers, engineers, etc that's currently on the BBC site. They are part of Olympic's crew.
 

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