Chris Mazzella
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Photos of the sinking
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Jesse D O'Neill
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Good question. Ive been wondering that too.
Chris Mazzella
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yea its a very interesting book, very descriptive, it was definitely worth every penny. Makes me feel like I'm there during the sinking.
Martin Owen Cahill
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Chris,
If those photos survived the disaster I think we would have seen them by now. They would be too good to resist exposure to the world.
However I could be wrong and they are forgotten at the bottom of a box of papers somewhere awaiting discovery. I would, in this instance, like to be wrong.
Martin
If those photos survived the disaster I think we would have seen them by now. They would be too good to resist exposure to the world.
However I could be wrong and they are forgotten at the bottom of a box of papers somewhere awaiting discovery. I would, in this instance, like to be wrong.
Martin
Jeremy Lee
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I have seen a picture taken by Leith of some part of the ship pre-sinking- was it the telegraph room? I can't remember but the edges of the picture had water stains and it was said that that film was damaged by seawater during the sinking.
One question remains - So where are the rest of the films?
One question remains - So where are the rest of the films?
Alex McLean
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The photo you are talking about is of the lifeboats, Jeremy, all swung out as the ship entered the war zone.
It really depends on what Leith did with the films once he took that one photo - if indeed it is even from that voyage or that ship (there appears to be very little identifiable parts of the photo apart from two lifeboats).
My best,
Alex
It really depends on what Leith did with the films once he took that one photo - if indeed it is even from that voyage or that ship (there appears to be very little identifiable parts of the photo apart from two lifeboats).
My best,
Alex
Jeremy Lee
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So it is. But then, he would have finished the film once he had taken it right? And also, what explains the water stains? Then if he salvaged that roll, why didn't he salvage the pics taken during sinking? A lot of thens, but IF its really from that final voyage and the photos didn't survive due to being missed out, then Leith ought to be shot.
Jim Kalafus
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The photo of the boat deck was part of a series which ran, as part of a cover story, in one of the UK papers soon after the sinking. They even ran a photo of the damaged negative strip as proof of authenticity, but off the top of my head I do not remember if they named the photographer. Elsie Hardy saved her camera, and Thomas Sumner later claimed that she had sold the photos to one of the English papers. Miss Hardy wrote that the photos she took on board did not come out, and so it is likely that these were not hers.
Jim Kalafus
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Was told that the photos of which I spoke were by wireless operator McCormick.
Jeremy Lee
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OMG, why is it so coincidence that photos that might have been taken during the sinking have not survived, but pictures taken on board before the sinking survived??!!
Martin Owen Cahill
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Jim and Jerry
I have reviewed the image in Preston and have my doubts about its authenticity.
Under every conventional lifeboat an engelhardt style collapsable was stowed and secured to the deck. Evidence of these can be seen in the Ballard/ Dunmore work on page 62.
these boats are absent in the photo purporting to be taken on the last voyage. The gates would not be able to open in the fashion depicted if they were.
Jim I would very much like to see the neg strip it comes from as this may contain further evidence.
cheers
Martin
I have reviewed the image in Preston and have my doubts about its authenticity.
Under every conventional lifeboat an engelhardt style collapsable was stowed and secured to the deck. Evidence of these can be seen in the Ballard/ Dunmore work on page 62.
these boats are absent in the photo purporting to be taken on the last voyage. The gates would not be able to open in the fashion depicted if they were.
Jim I would very much like to see the neg strip it comes from as this may contain further evidence.
cheers
Martin
Jim Kalafus
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Martin- I have a few reservations of my own-one being that the 'water damage' on the negative appears white on the print. Normally, when emusion is washed away the damage registers on the print as black or gray. The 'water damage' is actually something present on the negative- possibly blobs of emusion from one layer of the reel adhering to the next, or possibly something painted on later to suggest water damage.
An account by McCormick in which he unequivocally states that the photos were his would be welcome.
There is a second photo in the series, showing a general view on one of the promenade decks. As I recall some children are visible.
I will send you a scan of the newspaper photo of the negative, since I don't think I can post it here.
An account by McCormick in which he unequivocally states that the photos were his would be welcome.
There is a second photo in the series, showing a general view on one of the promenade decks. As I recall some children are visible.
I will send you a scan of the newspaper photo of the negative, since I don't think I can post it here.
Martin Owen Cahill
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thanks Jim,
If you could head it "lusitania boatdeck or the like so I don't mistake it. That would be great. I have seen the images you have put in the image library of ET. I printed out the one of the Lusi being escorted down the Clyde on here trials. It has pride of place on my wall.
As to the water damage you are quite right. It does show up as very dark.
I have some prints of photos taken on the WAHINE before she sank and some of the neg rolls were exposed to a bit of water. the edges have dark areas down two sides.
cheers
Martin
If you could head it "lusitania boatdeck or the like so I don't mistake it. That would be great. I have seen the images you have put in the image library of ET. I printed out the one of the Lusi being escorted down the Clyde on here trials. It has pride of place on my wall.
As to the water damage you are quite right. It does show up as very dark.
I have some prints of photos taken on the WAHINE before she sank and some of the neg rolls were exposed to a bit of water. the edges have dark areas down two sides.
cheers
Martin
Jim Kalafus
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I will dig the paper out and send you the scans within the next day or so.
That is interesting about photos taken aboard the Wahine surviving. I know of two separate groups of photos taken aboard Andrea Doria's final voyage which survived, and of one roll saved from the Morro Castle which- sadly- has been lost in the intervening years. Home movies taken by the Doehner family on the Hindenburg's final voyage were recently shown on TV.
That is interesting about photos taken aboard the Wahine surviving. I know of two separate groups of photos taken aboard Andrea Doria's final voyage which survived, and of one roll saved from the Morro Castle which- sadly- has been lost in the intervening years. Home movies taken by the Doehner family on the Hindenburg's final voyage were recently shown on TV.
Jesse D O'Neill
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Is there any difference between the damage fresh water causes and salt water causes, or is it one of those things where it doesn't make a difference?
