Some good books: History of shipping subsidies by Royal Meeker; the american invasion by Thwait; the american peril by Vivian vale. The first two u can read on Google the last u have to buy.
I just did a search on a site I go to often and this came up. Might be familiar to you already but thought I'd pass it along. Thanks for the recommendations.Some good books: History of shipping subsidies by Royal Meeker; the american invasion by Thwait; the american peril by Vivian vale. The first two u can read on Google the last u have to buy.
That's not inconceivable. It's been said that more big deals get done on the golf course than in the boardroom. Plus the whole Enron scandal was conceived on a napkin on a jet airliner if the docu on it is accurate.
Yes you would be right about that. Not only the liners themselves but they had to revamp their shipyards and other facilities also to handled the new liners. Lots of jobs for Belfast.Thank you for your thoughts on that. I've always wondered if there's any truth in the story.
It does sound possible to me and I'm sure the work generated by building the Olympic liners would have been welcomed by Harland and Wolff and the liners when completed, useful to White Star Line in their rivalry with Cunard.
I ask the question who idea was it in the first place to build the Olympic class ships?
Ismay, Pirrie or Morgan?
A very interesting question. Each of the men would benefit from the deal; J. Bruce Ismay would gain by more passenger fares for White Star Line, Lord Pirrie would see the creation of new jobs and more work for his shipyard. Pretty sure there was a small profit margin for Harland and Wolff above the build costs in their contracts set out with White Star. J.P. Morgan would expand the reach of his IMMC and appears to have wanted to dominate the shipping trade.
Everyone involved had something to gain.
I have always thought Lord Pirrie may have had the idea for the Olympic class ships in the first place but if others have some thoughts on this, I would very much like to hear them.
You are right to say all three Gentlemen had some thing to gain from building the Olympic class ships. But who came up with the idea in the first place. Or did all three seat around a table and discuss the matter?My understanding is it was largely an initiative headed by Pirrie and Ismay and that Morgan, while he owned the company, had little to do with how it was managed or the projects it involved itself with. It's also my recollection (again, could be wrong) that he had little interest in the Olympic-Class in particular, he didn't fund them and he wasn't present for either Olympic or Titanic's maiden voyage.
The reason why WSL moved to Southampton was due to competition coming from France and Germany shipping companies and was a shorter route for passengers who came from London and surrounding area of towns and villages.Bruce Ismay would say that the idea of a 1000ft ship was only realized due to white star line moving to Southampton and as such could build ships with greater drafts, a topic Pirrie would speak about as being one of the most important aspects for the greater the draft the more a ship can hold without increasing length and width. Of course harland and wolff would want to remain relevant and on the cutting edge of ship building and no doubt would have updated their ship yards to build large ships but there would have to be an order in order to make the transition purposeful. With all this said it had to be a realization on both parties part. How big did they imagine to build the ship, what had to be done at harland and wolff and what was practical. Eventually the 1000ft ships would be scaled back as I'm sure realizations as to practicalities set in. At least that's what I believe.