Planned distance of trip and scheduled ETA in NY


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mike disch

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I'm sure it's published in 50 books, but haven't found so far. Any info re distances from SoHampton to Cherbourg, to Queenstown, to NY, to point where it hit iceberg, etc. is welcome.
Also scheduled arrival time in NY>
 

Roy Howes

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Hi everyone.
Please can anyone help with the following? I realise much of what I ask has been covered in the past but this is a huge site to plough through hoping to find the answers:
1. I read a lot about the dates and times of the voyage but nowhere have I come across the expected arrival time and date in New York. Any ideas?
2. Am I correct in thinking that 11.40pm Titanic time equates to 02.40am London time (GMT-3)?
3. Any idea where I can view/download a more detailed set of deck plans - showing ALL cabin numbers and rooms on ALL decks, not just A-D that most sites offer?
4. I could also do with a quality bow to stern cross section cutaway - the only one I have found to date is on titanic-whitestarships.com but the room labels do not match locations on any deck plans I have
5. Is there any 'Virtual Tour' software available anywhere? I know someone produced a virtual tour of USS Enterprise, so is there a niche in the market for Titanic Tours?
 
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>>I read a lot about the dates and times of the voyage but nowhere have I come across the expected arrival time and date in New York. Any ideas? <<

Roy, the expected date of arrival was to be Wednesday, 17 April. I'm not sure of the intended time. To some extant, there was a bit of flexibility to this so long as ships tened to arrive a bit early rather then late.

>>Am I correct in thinking that 11.40pm Titanic time equates to 02.40am London time (GMT-3)? <<

Probably not. There was no set standard for agreed upon time zones back in 1912 that anybody abided by. The baseline for ship's time was the local apparant noon based on daily navigation fixes. This is why a ship even just a few miles ahead could literally be on a different time.

>>Any idea where I can view/download a more detailed set of deck plans - showing ALL cabin numbers and rooms on ALL decks, not just A-D that most sites offer?<<

the only website I know of with the original builders blueprints is at http://www.copperas.com/titanic/ A word of caution in that these plans represent the baseline for the Olympic class as a whole and do not show the Titanic as she was actually completed. To my knowladge, the best set of deckplans for your purposes and the most accurate to date are the plans produced by Bruce Beveridge. Details about these plans and links to purchasing information can be had at http://titanic-model.com/ga-plans/
 

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Thanks to both of you for that.
Michael,I accept what you say about not adhering to time zones, your explanation makes a lot of sense - however, has there been logged anywhere or reported in any UK papers of a UK equivalent time - roughly?
 

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Roy, the time business has been argued loud and long. The British inquiry found that Titanic time was 3hr 10min behind GMT. I happen to agree with that, for reasons set out in my book.

The most likely alternative, favoured by some, is that the difference was 2hr 58min behind GMT. This is based on the idea that Titanic's clocks were set to agree with her last noon position, in accordance with an old nautical convention.

Both positions have their backers. The evidence either way is not very conclusive. Neither the British nor the US inquiry took much interest in the matter.

To quote myself,"It is submitted that a time difference of 1hr 50 min ahead of NYT, or 3hr 10min behind GMT, best fits the rather limited evidence. It is also submitted that the exact difference is of very little consequence, except to Captain Lord's defenders, and those whose hobby it it to make the straight crooked and the plain places rough."

The arrival time in New York was meant to be in the early hours of Wednesday 17 April. This fitted in with US immigration and customs authorities. However, the conditions were very favourable, Titanic was running very well and from the position at which she hit the berg she could have arrived at the Ambrose lightship at the entrance to New York harbor by about 10 or 11pm on Tuesday 16 April, assuming a speed of about 22 knots, which she had been doing for more than a day.

Ironically, she would probably not have succeeded in doing this, even in the absence of icebergs, as there was fog on the course and she would have been forced to slow.
 
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>>however, has there been logged anywhere or reported in any UK papers of a UK equivalent time - roughly?<<

In addition to what Dave mentioned, I don't think that anyone bothered oficially logging anything shoreside. Voyages weren't tracked by anybody in that sort of excruciating detail. If you're thinking about newspapers, my own take is that they tended to take whatever was handed to them at face value and often uncritically at that.

The inquiries did look into it, but my own impression is that it was almost as an afterthought, and a superficial one at that.
 

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Dave,
Thanks for the detail. If I had to chose one of your options I think I would favour the -3hr 10min - but that's just me
 

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