Poingdestre and time

I personally do not believe that Rowe set his watch. Rowe, as I have pointed out several times, clearly states that he did not adjust nor think about his watch. He also states 11:40 and 12:25 in the same sentence without any mention of time adjustment. Along with that no one has answered my question as far as why would Rowe have only done a partial adjustment on his watch and not the full 47 minutes. Did he plan on starting his next watch 24 minutes late?

Not saying these points answer anything or adds to anything, just my thoughts. :) I've included a report I had written a long while back, and haven't read until now, and is not edited, but still relates what it needs to.

Hello Brad.

Am reading the article you quote as I write this.

First: In the US Rowe did not say that he "looked at his watch" when he felt the "jar". Keep in mind that before the survivors or any of the participants arrived in the US, there was no suggestion that a hearing would be held there. Titanic was a British ship and subject to British law when in International waters. It follows that there was no time for anyone to concoct a story (with the exception of Ernest Gill , that is). Therefore, the evidence came from fresh memories...some fresher than others.
Anyone who has ever been at "stations" on the poop deck will tell you that the first indication of engines goinf astern while the ship is moving ahead, is like being on a mild "Bouncy castle". Additionally, on looking astern, the surface of the sea starts to look like it is boiling and the wake takes on the shape of a mushroom. In the case of Rowe, this would not have been apparent until the engines actually started turning astern, and we know from trimmer Dillon, that happened about 2 minutes after impact. By then, the iceberg would have been almost 3000 feet astern of Titanic.
Incidentally, that is when he would have attempted to recover the patient Log Line, but not until then. This is because a rating does not do such a thing without an order or, in the absence of such an order, sees that if he does not do so, damage or loss will occur. In fact, Rowe did not say that he pulled-in the Patent Log and read it. he simply said he read it.

If as Rowe said, he was supposed to call the Middle Watch at 11-45 am, then it had to be at 12-09 am on an unaltered watch, 11-45 pm on a partly altered watch or 11-22 am on a fully altered watch.
In the normal course of events, this is how Rowe's Wtch would have gone,
Rowe started work at 8 pm with unaltered time. At 10 pm by that time he read the log and phoned the result to Hichens/Olliver in the wheelhouse.
In the normal course of events, at 12 pm by the same time, he would have retarded his clock by 24 minutes. It would then read 11-36 pm and he would know that when his watch showed about 11-40 pm, he would leave the aft bridge and go and call the QMs of the Middle Watch. At the same time, he would read the Patent Log and pass the reading to the bridge.
The man who was to relieve QM Rowe...QM Bright, said he relieved the man [Rowe] he should have done at 12 o' clock. That was 12 o'clock partly altered time. Rowe was still at his post, 25 minutes after that and Bright had just arrived beside him.
 
The answer to this one is simple. Rowe was going to spend the last two hours of his watch freezing his spuds off on the back end of the ship. The one thing at the foremost of his mind would have been a hot brew and his bed. If he'd set his watch back by half the time it would have told him exactly when he was due to be relieved. This does not mean that the ship had set her time back.
As I pointed out to Brad, Rowe had duties to perform relative to unaltered and altered time, so, like Pitman, he either had to interpret from unaltered time right up to and after Midnight, April 14, or wait to April 14 then make a partial alteration to ensure he carried the last part of his duties at the correct, partly altered time.
As a matter of interest, in every ship I served in, the Middle and First Watches (4 am to 8am) received 2 shipmate calls...first at 1 bell i.e. 15 minutes to go, and a second at 5 minutes to go to make sure you did not pull the blanket over your head and to heck with the world.
 
Hello Brad.

Am reading the article you quote as I write this.

First: In the US Rowe did not say that he "looked at his watch" when he felt the "jar". .

Thanks as always for your input, always very much appreciated. :) Rowe would say in the US, "I felt a slight jar and looked at my watch. It was a fine night, and it was then 20 minutes to 12."

When I wrote the paper, at first I was just trying to compile all Rowes data for myself, but then had the thought why not share the compiling, but never finished it. Thanks for reading it though... again much appreciated!
 
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The answer to this one is simple. Rowe was going to spend the last two hours of his watch freezing his spuds off on the back end of the ship. The one thing at the foremost of his mind would have been a hot brew and his bed. If he'd set his watch back by half the time it would have told him exactly when he was due to be relieved. This does not mean that the ship had set her time back.
Thanks for your reply.
I get what you are saying, and in that sense it makes sense. But when reading through all his testimony something doesn't add up. Not saying I have the answers, but, just pointing it out.
One can't look at their watch and see it being 20 minutes to 12, and then 12:25- which is said to be altered time- unless you set your watch after reading it being 20 minutes to twelve. This is where the problem occurs. If you set your watch after reading 11:40pm, why set it back only 23 minutes, might as well kept it going tell 12:23 and then set it back the full 47.
If the watch was set before then when he read the watch it should have said 11:17am. Of course Rowe could have added the 23 minutes and that is why he stated 20 minutes to 12, but that is stretching his testimony I feel. Why wouldn't he with any other times?
Again not saying I have answers, but also saying, just based solely on Rowe's testimony, we cannot say for sure that he set his watch after the collision. We also can't say that he did so before, as there is no evidence of that either. Of course that's when one looks at the bigger picture, and that I know is what everyone's doing and I'm just micro pointing out flaws in one person's testimony. :)
 
The answer to this one is simple. Rowe was going to spend the last two hours of his watch freezing his spuds off on the back end of the ship. The one thing at the foremost of his mind would have been a hot brew and his bed. If he'd set his watch back by half the time it would have told him exactly when he was due to be relieved. This does not mean that the ship had set her time back.
You are correct, Rob, it does not point to a clock set back by those on the bridge.
The only way to solve this question is to compare the timing of an event or events seen by an individual or individuals on Titanic with the timing of the same event or events seen by an individual or individuals on a vessel other than Titanic. That is exactly what I did when I showed that the time kept on Rowe's watch was 12 minutes SLOW of the time kept on the watch consulted by 2nd Officer Stone on the Californian.
 
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