Possible Belgian passenger and Rejected Passengers


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Rolf Vonk

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Hello dear people,

I've a question about the information below:


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Camille Carolus WAEYAERT
Butcher
Born Zarren 13 Feb 1869

Resided Damme, province of West Flanders
It is uncertain whether he was actually on board of the Titanic since he is not mentioned in any passenger list. In a letter to his family he confirms that he arrived safely in the United States.

Survivor.
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Is there anyone who can give me more information about Mr Waeyaert, cause I wasn't able to find more in Dutch sources. I know there were more Dutch and Belgian people who were saying that they were aboard Titanic, but I know that all their statements were false. However I didn't find anything about Mr Waeyaert.

I've also a question about the next:


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Rejected at Southampton

Emma DUYVEJONCK, age 17,
Henri VAN DER STEEN, age 22
Both had arrived via Harwich on a vessel of GE Railway Co.
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Both Miss Duyvejonck and Mr van der Steen were Belgian third class passengers and were rejected because of illness. Does anybody know if there were more passengers rejected at Southampton, Cherbourg or Queenstown?? Is their maybe a list about this?

Any ideas? I'm looking forward to your responses!

Regards,
Rolf
 
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Rolf Vonk

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Is there anybody who can give me some information?! (snif, snik)
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. It seems that it is difficult to research names of people who were thought to be aboard Titanic.

Regards,
Rolf
 

Mike Herbold

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Rolf:
Was this "Rejected at Southampton" note from an old newspaper clipping or was it from some sort of public record? This could be an important source for identifying passengers who 'missed the boat'.
 
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Rolf Vonk

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Hi Mike,

The note wasn't from an old newspaper, nor from a sort of public record. I have a Dutch book that mentions all kind of people who said they were aboard Titanic. There's a little explanation about the truth of their stories. In this list I also found the names of the two Belgian passengers who missed the boat. I found this very interesting. Especially cause the source says that they were indeed not allowed to sail on Titanic.

I haven't found other passengernames of those who weren't allowed to sail so that was the reason why I placed this at ET. ET doesn't have a list about this and maybe some passengerlist-researchers can give me more information.

About the Waeyaert case: I found that information on a site wich gave all the correct names, dates of birth, residences etc of the Belgian passengers. I haven't the adress, cause I didn't bookmarked it. Though I have the information and when you're interested you can e-mail me.

The information on that site was found by an American lady. That's all I know. But as I said above, it was just interesting me when I was searching for information about Dutch and Belgian passengers aboard. And I think it's important that there's also information on ET about people who were refused to sail on Titanic.

Regards,
Rolf
 
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Hermann Söldner

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Hi Rolf,

the official passenger list handed in to the Board of Trade on April 10th, 1912 only lists two rejected persons:

1) Ticket number 345766 Emma Duyvejonck, 17 years old from Belgium, arrived at Harwich via Great Eastern Railway Co.

2) Ticket number 345782 Henri Van der Steen, 22 years old from Belgium, also arrived at Harwich via Great Eastern Railway Co.

Both were pesumably refunded. The Ticket list handed in to the New York Court by the White Star Line in November 1912 list two numbers without a name:

1) Ticket number 345776, cost 10 pounds 11 shillings and 6 pence, Rejected
2) Ticket number 345782, cost 11 pounds 1 shilling and 6 pence, Rejected.

Emma's ticket number was apparently given wrong in the Southampton list.

Hermann Soeldner
 

Brian Meister

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Dear Mike H, Hermann, and Rolf,

Hope you find this excerpt pertinent:

GIRL ON WAY HERE IS PROBABLY LOST
Emma Duvyonek was coming to Detroit to
Join Father

"Emerie Duvyonek left Sweevehele Belgium
seven years ago, leaving behind his two sons
and his daughter. His wife died and he came
to Detroit to get a new start. After he had
been here two years, he married again and
two more children were added to those depen-
dent on his earnings.
"Industry, however, enabled him to send
for the daughter, Emma, now 16 years-old, and
on April 10 she set sail. The date tells the
story, the Titanic was the ship selected as
the one on which she was to make the voyage
to the new world to see the father....(LOST
SECTION)...meet the little half brother and
sister whom she had never seen.
"Whether she has been saved or not, the
father did not know last night. He had been
told that she had, and had been told that she
had not. In his optimistic moments he accepted
the good news and in his darker moments, he
despaired. He was anxiously awaiting a
message from Deputy Sheriff Henry Von
Slembrouck, who went to New York Thursday
to look after the 20 or more Belgian imma-
grants who were coming to Detroit.
"Duvyonek is employed in Grosse Point
water works and lives on Kirby road.
"Emma was coming to this country with
Mr and Mrs Julius Van Serplanck(sic, Julius
having gone to Sweevehele about five months
ago to marry, the voyage to America being
the honeymoon. It is reported that while
Mrs Van Serplanck was saved, Julius and
his two brothers(sic), Leon and Gustav,
who were coming to America to make their
fortunes, were drwoned."

I discovered this article in a Detroit
newspaper many years ago and copied it.
Knowing that Miss Duvyonek was not aboard,
I never thought it would come in handy.
There is an accompanying photo of Emma,
obviously provided by her father.

Hope this was of interest,

Brian Meister
 
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Rolf Vonk

Guest
Hi there,

Hermann: Thanks for your information! Great that you can give the ticketnumbers and their prices. I think the chance of other rejected passengers is very small when you got the information from the original passenger list. Did you find anything about the Mr Waeyaert on the list? I doubt if he was really aboard Titanic. I guess we allready know all the passengers who sailed on her. Though the case of Bertha Mayne was also known late. That's the reason why I was wondering about Mr Waeyaert.

Brian: Also thanks for the information! It's interesting to read your article about Emma Duyvejonck. It makes the story more complete.

Regards,
Rolf
 
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Hermann Söldner

Guest
Dear Brian,

thank you very much for the newspaper article it is very interesting. The book about the Flemings on the Titanic also has a picture of her. In the end she arrived in the US in 1913 and married a Jules Vincke in Detroit in 1920. She died in 1948.

In the above mentioned book it is also said that Mr. Duyvejonck came to take his daughter with him but left alone for America at the end of March, whereas his daughter should follow him.

Hermann
 
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Hermann Söldner

Guest
Hi Rolf,

up to now I could not find any hint for a Mr. Wayaert only one for a Mr. Maylaert. But they are different persons.

Hermann
 
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Hermann Söldner

Guest
Hi Rolf,

information about Camille Wayaert can be found in:

Dirk Musschoot, De Vlamingen op de Titanic, Lanoo 2000, page 181.

Hermann
 
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Rolf Vonk

Guest
Hi Hemann,

Thank you very much for the information. I shall try if I can find the book!

Regards,
Rolf
 
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Rolf Vonk

Guest
Hello,

Just wanna say that I found information which confirms that Mr Waeyaert wasn't aboard Titanic.

Regards,
Rolf
 

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