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Message: [QUOTE="Samuel Halpern, post: 87608, member: 137378"] Hey Roy, those were Boxhall's own words concerning his night vision, not mine. He said he just came out of the officer's quarters and that should tell you what light he was referring to. Plain and simple, Boxhall was not sure what he saw. Again in his own words from the American Inquiry: "I was not very sure of seeing it. It seemed to me to be just a small black mass not rising very high out of the water, just a little on the starboard quarter...I am not sure of seeing it; that is what I say, I would not swear to seeing it..." What more do you want? But if Boxhall wasn't sure of what he saw, there were quite a few others who were sure of what they saw: Olliver, Rowe, Fleet, Lee, Scarrott, Shiers, and a few more. What I do find interesting about Boxhall's testimony is not just what he did say, but what he didn't say. We know he talks about hearing the hard-starboard order and reversal of engines, yet he says nothing of a hard-aport order being given, only Murdoch's explanation to Smith of an intent to port around. Yet he said he thought he saw the mass on the starboard quarter. Can't do that if the ship was in a turn to port. [/QUOTE]