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Message: [QUOTE="L. Marmaduke Collins, post: 87615, member: 141786"] [i]And of course we must ignore Boxhall, Hichens, and Olliver when they all said that they heard Murdoch's response to Smith's question regarding what they struck.[/i] Of course not! There is no doubt that Murdoch believed he had hit an iceberg, and so responded to Captain Smith. He was told by the lookout "Iceberg Right Ahead", and there is every reason to believe, if he were standing in the starboard bridge wing, that he saw the [b]illusory iceberg[/b] when the ice came under the influence of the ship's light. But, if he had been experienced in ice navigation he would have immediately known, especially at the time of impact, that it could not possibly have been a [b]real iceberg[/b]. Furthermore, if he had been an experienced shiphandler he would have known that the ONLY way to port around would be to keep all engnes AHEAD while shifting the rudder to hard-a-starboard (Hard-a-Port Helm). After commencing a turn with hard-a-port rudder,[b] Reversing the engines[/b] negated all chance of making [b]his[/b] port around. Collins [/QUOTE]